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No offense, but the load of crap here is thinking that your intelligence and status has anything to do with this. Addiction does not discriminate. It doesn't care if you live on Park Ave. or a park bench, enrolled in Yale or sitting in jail.
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ElChupacabra, to add to the others, they're right on the whole being "intelligent" opposed to being well educated with a reputable position, such as an attorney, doctor, therapist, scientist, etc. Addiction does not discriminate at all.
I work with a lot of addicts, we happen to have a professor among the bunch as well as several registered nurses, many educated women with degrees and young girls who are still attending college while they work on their recovery.
I work with a lot of addicts, we happen to have a professor among the bunch as well as several registered nurses, many educated women with degrees and young girls who are still attending college while they work on their recovery.
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Originally Posted by ElChupacabra 
No disrespect, but I think that's a huge load of crap. I'm not a shelf stacker in a supermarket. I am a very experienced lawyer with much responsibility and a great sense of duty to my family and friends. It's rubbish to say that someone shouldn't care about these things in order to "see the light". I want off the drink very much, but I also want to limit the damage to my life at the same time. Its tough, but I refuse to entertain the notion that the two are mutually exclusive. I put myself in this position. It's my duty to come out of it in the best way possible. That's what fighting is all about. Not just detoxing, but fighting for the continuation of your life.
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ElChupacabra I will tell you what a specialist told me when I told him the truth about my drinking, in response to me foolishly asking him what he was going to prescribe me, antabuse, Revia, or Campral?
He leaned back in his chair and told me that he would prescribe me what ever I wished, but it would be a waste of his time & mine! I asked him why and he said flat out "Mr. Price, you need to be medically detoxed because no matter what I prescribe you, one of 2 things will happen, the withdrawals could kill you, or you will relapse in no time due to the withdrawals."
I was ready to stop being a DRUNK, I listened to the Dr. & went into detox.
If you are really ready to stop the insanity you will be willing to do what ever it takes to first get sober, which in reality is the easy part, with or without medical detox, the hardest part is STAYING SOBER.
Are you REALLY ready? Once sober are you truly willing to do ANYTHING to stay sober no matter how much you do not want to do it?
He leaned back in his chair and told me that he would prescribe me what ever I wished, but it would be a waste of his time & mine! I asked him why and he said flat out "Mr. Price, you need to be medically detoxed because no matter what I prescribe you, one of 2 things will happen, the withdrawals could kill you, or you will relapse in no time due to the withdrawals."
I was ready to stop being a DRUNK, I listened to the Dr. & went into detox.
If you are really ready to stop the insanity you will be willing to do what ever it takes to first get sober, which in reality is the easy part, with or without medical detox, the hardest part is STAYING SOBER.
Are you REALLY ready? Once sober are you truly willing to do ANYTHING to stay sober no matter how much you do not want to do it?
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Originally Posted by ElChupacabra
It's my duty to come out of it in the best way possible. That's what fighting is all about. Not just detoxing, but fighting for the continuation of your life.
I hit a place where I knew that the things I valued, my job, my family, my reputation, were all lost if I didn't get sober. Some of them were lost even if I did get sober. But I wouldn't have a chance at any of it unless I recovered. It was my adherence to trying to manage all those things that kept me from getting sober. My willingness to keep fighting to retain those things that kept me locked in misery.
I was convinced of the hopelessness and futility of life as I'd been living it.
I did the best I could with holding those things together while getting sober, but I didn't let them get in the way. Focus on the recovery, and the rest will fall into place.
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Keith, I think I identify with this part when I think about my life in the last while:
"It was my adherence to trying to manage all those things that kept me from getting sober. My willingness to keep fighting to retain those things that kept me locked in misery."
Somehow I started to look at my priorities differently and change started to happen for the better. Thanks
"It was my adherence to trying to manage all those things that kept me from getting sober. My willingness to keep fighting to retain those things that kept me locked in misery."
Somehow I started to look at my priorities differently and change started to happen for the better. Thanks
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El C, there is no doubt in my mind that I have been looking up to a shelf-stacker in a supermarket while reading here and being supported. That AND lawyers and probably "stars." Every single one of them has an essence as a person, and that essence suffers all the same, just in different rhythms and different home layouts and ways of putting paragraphs together. I've reached a point where my sobriety is the biggest dignity I need now.
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I wish you well Elchupa..An You sound like a switched on guy..whos Been through this a
lot of times before..I Agree with a lot of comments here..but i think you gotta do what
you feel is right...Many of us who go off on serious benders and long stretch binges,we
do strangely get to know a bit about our body..And often have a good idea if we can do
what your suggesting and wean off safely..Self help style..I Personally beleive many can
and before all the panic merchants start wailing about the dangers of doing this..Well
what about the equal no more Danger of consuming mass quantitys and being off our
Faces in the first Place..DIDNT THINK..before a major blast of drink! i maybe should go
an see a doctor before i get wasted an put others in danger!!everybody has there own way of dealing with things..We can only but offer our good advice and Experience,
Good luck Chupa.. Hope you can get off and stay off this time..Me too.
lot of times before..I Agree with a lot of comments here..but i think you gotta do what
you feel is right...Many of us who go off on serious benders and long stretch binges,we
do strangely get to know a bit about our body..And often have a good idea if we can do
what your suggesting and wean off safely..Self help style..I Personally beleive many can
and before all the panic merchants start wailing about the dangers of doing this..Well
what about the equal no more Danger of consuming mass quantitys and being off our
Faces in the first Place..DIDNT THINK..before a major blast of drink! i maybe should go
an see a doctor before i get wasted an put others in danger!!everybody has there own way of dealing with things..We can only but offer our good advice and Experience,
Good luck Chupa.. Hope you can get off and stay off this time..Me too.
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One more time 
I'm still suffering the legacy of my last unassisted detox El C. That was 3 years ago.
I have been a shelf stacker - I also have letters after my name.
It doesn't matter. My brain will never be the same as it was.
Don't take the chance.
See a Dr.
D
I'm still suffering the legacy of my last unassisted detox El C. That was 3 years ago.
I have been a shelf stacker - I also have letters after my name.
It doesn't matter. My brain will never be the same as it was.
Don't take the chance.
See a Dr.
D
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Alcoholism = The great Leveller
That park bench alkie really ain't that much different than you is he really? Maybe got less chances in life but he's still an alkie.
Once you get over any 'superiority' complex and realise that you are just another alcoholic then you stand a chance of staying sober.
Don't want to sound harsh but you can't have it both ways. Total and utter honesty is required in sobriety. If you are still trying to control people, places, things, then you obviously still ain't been smashed down low enough yet.
All the best.
That park bench alkie really ain't that much different than you is he really? Maybe got less chances in life but he's still an alkie.
Once you get over any 'superiority' complex and realise that you are just another alcoholic then you stand a chance of staying sober.
Don't want to sound harsh but you can't have it both ways. Total and utter honesty is required in sobriety. If you are still trying to control people, places, things, then you obviously still ain't been smashed down low enough yet.
All the best.
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Originally Posted by dasha
I wish you well Elchupa..An You sound like a switched on guy..whos Been through this a
lot of times before..I Agree with a lot of comments here..but i think you gotta do what
you feel is right...Many of us who go off on serious benders and long stretch binges,we
do strangely get to know a bit about our body..And often have a good idea if we can do
what your suggesting and wean off safely..Self help style..I Personally beleive many can
and before all the panic merchants start wailing about the dangers of doing this..Well
what about the equal no more Danger of consuming mass quantitys and being off our
Faces in the first Place..DIDNT THINK..before a major blast of drink! i maybe should go
an see a doctor before i get wasted an put others in danger!!everybody has there own way of dealing with things..We can only but offer our good advice and Experience,
Good luck Chupa.. Hope you can get off and stay off this time..Me too.
lot of times before..I Agree with a lot of comments here..but i think you gotta do what
you feel is right...Many of us who go off on serious benders and long stretch binges,we
do strangely get to know a bit about our body..And often have a good idea if we can do
what your suggesting and wean off safely..Self help style..I Personally beleive many can
and before all the panic merchants start wailing about the dangers of doing this..Well
what about the equal no more Danger of consuming mass quantitys and being off our
Faces in the first Place..DIDNT THINK..before a major blast of drink! i maybe should go
an see a doctor before i get wasted an put others in danger!!everybody has there own way of dealing with things..We can only but offer our good advice and Experience,
Good luck Chupa.. Hope you can get off and stay off this time..Me too.
I think it's very important to realise we don't always know right - especially if we're actively drinking at the time.
D
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Sorry to hear that Dee! everybody has an opinion..only speakin from personall experience
each person decides for themselves the course of action they wish to take..and which
kind of medical advice or not to follow..freedom of choice,is for all..I personally in more
Alternative natural healing..Self healing methods..Apart from nicotine lozenges i dont
ever take any tablets at all,unless in severe pain which touch wood i havent been so
far.no offence intended.
each person decides for themselves the course of action they wish to take..and which
kind of medical advice or not to follow..freedom of choice,is for all..I personally in more
Alternative natural healing..Self healing methods..Apart from nicotine lozenges i dont
ever take any tablets at all,unless in severe pain which touch wood i havent been so
far.no offence intended.
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ElC,
You know, a shelf stacker probably has a harder time getting the time off to take care of health needs than those of us who are better situated financially. Money is probably a greater concern too, especially here in the US where health care is terribly expensive.
Take the time to attend to your health before it involves a long hospital stay or permanent damages.
Love,
Lenina
You know, a shelf stacker probably has a harder time getting the time off to take care of health needs than those of us who are better situated financially. Money is probably a greater concern too, especially here in the US where health care is terribly expensive.
Take the time to attend to your health before it involves a long hospital stay or permanent damages.
Love,
Lenina
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Info - Common questions about alcohol: binge drinking, alcohol poisoning & weight
Call - Alcohol services | Alcohol Concern
Go to A&E, tell them how much you are drinking and your symptoms and let them admit you.
You may very well survive your own detox but your career could be over by Monday if you end up with brain damage or disabilty.
If you really are concerned about family and friends, you know this is not what they would want for you.
Call - Alcohol services | Alcohol Concern
Go to A&E, tell them how much you are drinking and your symptoms and let them admit you.
You may very well survive your own detox but your career could be over by Monday if you end up with brain damage or disabilty.
If you really are concerned about family and friends, you know this is not what they would want for you.
Worn out by booze
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Well, it's 12 hours since my last drink. I have been awake during that time. Had a racing heart beat and chest discomfort during the first couple hours. I drank about 70% of the previous day's drink yesterday.
I seem to have moved on from a racing heart and shakes to bad anxiety. I also have very mild sweating, a small cough and feel a little hot. Legs are a bit wobbly and I'm a tiny bit light headed. However, I'm going to hold out as long as possible before taking a drink as I plan to only drink one bottle of wine today. If the anxiety subsides early I will forgoe the wine. The anxiety isn't really helped by all the gas I have from the drinking. It makes me taut.
As illogical as it sounds, I can feel my body beginning to correct itself. I am guilty of kindling so this isn't the first home detox I have done. In fact I've done many. I find that usually its once the extreme anxiety goes that the detox becomes pretty manageable. I'm eagerly awaiting the depression stage where most of the discomfort is gone as Monday I have somehting to look forward to, and there hasn't been that much good in my life recently, hence the increased drinking. However, I feel now that I have a goal, a thread with which to rescue my life from this bottom of the bottle hell. That's what I needed. A reason to ditch this evil stuff.
I seem to have moved on from a racing heart and shakes to bad anxiety. I also have very mild sweating, a small cough and feel a little hot. Legs are a bit wobbly and I'm a tiny bit light headed. However, I'm going to hold out as long as possible before taking a drink as I plan to only drink one bottle of wine today. If the anxiety subsides early I will forgoe the wine. The anxiety isn't really helped by all the gas I have from the drinking. It makes me taut.
As illogical as it sounds, I can feel my body beginning to correct itself. I am guilty of kindling so this isn't the first home detox I have done. In fact I've done many. I find that usually its once the extreme anxiety goes that the detox becomes pretty manageable. I'm eagerly awaiting the depression stage where most of the discomfort is gone as Monday I have somehting to look forward to, and there hasn't been that much good in my life recently, hence the increased drinking. However, I feel now that I have a goal, a thread with which to rescue my life from this bottom of the bottle hell. That's what I needed. A reason to ditch this evil stuff.
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El C, I'm honest when I say it is kind of sandpapery to read that. I have come to believe in admitting complete powerlessness as the way to go and then "Monday" is bright as can be with the hope in store. I guess throwing dynamite into some fires works to bring them down, but I didn't know this is the way to go when one is saying goodbye to drinking alcohol - and with ones BODY. Are you a lawyer or your own personal physician? Is there no way of getting medical help?
Sorry (to you and whoever is reading), I don't think I am being very supportive right now. I feel frustrated.
Sorry (to you and whoever is reading), I don't think I am being very supportive right now. I feel frustrated.
Worn out by booze
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Originally Posted by Toronto68
El C, I'm honest when I say it is kind of sandpapery to read that. I have come to believe in admitting complete powerlessness as the way to go and then "Monday" is bright as can be with the hope in store. I guess throwing dynamite into some fires works to bring them down, but I didn't know this is the way to go when one is saying goodbye to drinking alcohol - and with ones BODY. Are you a lawyer or your own personal physician? Is there no way of getting medical help?
Sorry (to you and whoever is reading), I don't think I am being very supportive right now. I feel frustrated.
Sorry (to you and whoever is reading), I don't think I am being very supportive right now. I feel frustrated.
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"If things get bad I'll take a drink and go to a hospital near my office weekend after next"
OK, well, why the weekend after next after taking this drink you are considering when things get bad?
When you did this numerous times before, didn't it seem like they were adding up? Simply put, I was like a daily 6-pack drinker and for years on end. I'm lucky as can be, FINALLY, now that I am facing the disease I have for life. Don't you think you are in the same boat with me, even though you are a "bout" drinker as opposed to everyday? You are going through violent stuff, and the others on here are recommending medical attention, so with my limited understanding, I am wondering why you would not go with that advice. Maybe you "have not hit the bottom" yet, as they call it.
I feel like I am being paternalistic in the way I am talking, so will probably refrain for a while, because I am more comfortable using a softer approach here (I was an anonymous internet drunk who liked to speak out online...well, I still am, but I stopped drinking, ha ha). Hopefully you will take a stitch of caring out of me though.
OK, well, why the weekend after next after taking this drink you are considering when things get bad?
When you did this numerous times before, didn't it seem like they were adding up? Simply put, I was like a daily 6-pack drinker and for years on end. I'm lucky as can be, FINALLY, now that I am facing the disease I have for life. Don't you think you are in the same boat with me, even though you are a "bout" drinker as opposed to everyday? You are going through violent stuff, and the others on here are recommending medical attention, so with my limited understanding, I am wondering why you would not go with that advice. Maybe you "have not hit the bottom" yet, as they call it.
I feel like I am being paternalistic in the way I am talking, so will probably refrain for a while, because I am more comfortable using a softer approach here (I was an anonymous internet drunk who liked to speak out online...well, I still am, but I stopped drinking, ha ha). Hopefully you will take a stitch of caring out of me though.
Worn out by booze
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Originally Posted by Toronto68
"If things get bad I'll take a drink and go to a hospital near my office weekend after next"
OK, well, why the weekend after next after taking this drink you are considering when things get bad?
OK, well, why the weekend after next after taking this drink you are considering when things get bad?
When you did this numerous times before, didn't it seem like they were adding up? Simply put, I was like a daily 6-pack drinker and for years on end. I'm lucky as can be, FINALLY, now that I am facing the disease I have for life. Don't you think you are in the same boat with me, even though you are a "bout" drinker as opposed to everyday? You are going through violent stuff, and the others on here are recommending medical attention, so with my limited understanding, I am wondering why you would not go with that advice. Maybe you "have not hit the bottom" yet, as they call it.
I feel like I am being paternalistic in the way I am talking, so will probably refrain for a while, because I am more comfortable using a softer approach here (I was an anonymous internet drunk who liked to speak out online...well, I still am, but I stopped drinking, ha ha). Hopefully you will take a stitch of caring out of me though.
Plus, tapering off alcohol, if you can manage it, is actually one of the safest ways to do it. It's just out of fashion in favour of medication because it takes will power to do. I was actually advised of this by my doctor!
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