Its been called to my attention. . .
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Originally Posted by coffeenut 
Bugs said it perfectly.
When I came here, I had hope that I could be sober.
Had I have been told I was going to die unless I (fill in the blank with whatever suits you) I do believe I would have died.
I had to find my own way, not be hit over the head with someone elses way.
When I came here, I had hope that I could be sober.
Had I have been told I was going to die unless I (fill in the blank with whatever suits you) I do believe I would have died.
I had to find my own way, not be hit over the head with someone elses way.
No one told anyone they would die unless they did xyz. I always follow it with a question: What are you going to do?
Unfortunately, most newcomers hear what they want to hear and interpret it in some pretty convoluted ways.
Oh well. . .
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Originally Posted by 51anna
And the Bottom Line in the Newcomers Forum is that we offer hope. It doesn't have to be lies or false reassurance, I have hope and I can share it with others, as it was shared with me.
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Originally Posted by bugsworth
You made the statement I thought you would have the supporting evidence. Obviously not.
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Forme..It didnt matter what anyone told me my addiction was going to do. Like I already didnt know. With countless guns that have been put to my head wasnt a clear enough message.
If that doesnt say your gonna die, I dont know what does.
And that still didnt stop me for years. What makes you think, you telling me my life sucks is going to change that?
So when I look for support and need help to get clean. The last thing I need someone telling me is what I already have lived for x amount of years. I want a solution and I want to know that its going to get better no matter how far gone I am.
It doesnt take a freakin rocket scientist to figure out your probably going to die.
I already know all about my addiciton. What I dont know is recovery.
And I may not be clean very long. But I have been at it long enough to know that if I didnt have hope and positive support from people. Why would I even care? I would go on thinking that my life was being in the street, selling my ass and going in and out of jail, just begging for someone to take me out.
Now where the tough love comes in is when someone needs to call me on my BS. But dont tell me **** I already know. No kidding my life sucks. No **** I will probably die if I keep going. Why do you think I am here to begim with?
This topic got really freakin lame.
Some of you need to grow up.
If that doesnt say your gonna die, I dont know what does.
And that still didnt stop me for years. What makes you think, you telling me my life sucks is going to change that?
So when I look for support and need help to get clean. The last thing I need someone telling me is what I already have lived for x amount of years. I want a solution and I want to know that its going to get better no matter how far gone I am.
It doesnt take a freakin rocket scientist to figure out your probably going to die.
I already know all about my addiciton. What I dont know is recovery.
And I may not be clean very long. But I have been at it long enough to know that if I didnt have hope and positive support from people. Why would I even care? I would go on thinking that my life was being in the street, selling my ass and going in and out of jail, just begging for someone to take me out.
Now where the tough love comes in is when someone needs to call me on my BS. But dont tell me **** I already know. No kidding my life sucks. No **** I will probably die if I keep going. Why do you think I am here to begim with?
This topic got really freakin lame.
Some of you need to grow up.
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Originally Posted by Aysha
**** I will probably die if I keep going. Why do you think I am here to begim with?
This topic got really freakin lame.
Some of you need to grow up.
This topic got really freakin lame.
Some of you need to grow up.
I think the point is, getting sober is not always as simple as putting ones 'mind to it' and that it has killed alot of people who believed that it was.
Self knowledge is useless for an alcoholic. As a matter of fact, that is one of the primary symptoms of alcoholism. As you have clearly pointed out, alcoholism has killed many people who thought they could stay sober on self knowledge alone.
This is the fatal component that needs to be stressed and stressed again.
So I think we are in agreement, arent we?
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Self knowledge is absolutely not useless BasIam that is simply your opinion. Self knowledge can be the supporting foundation to a successful recovery.
This thread, like others, take on a life of their own sometimes. I'm sorry the topic became lame Aysha.
This thread, like others, take on a life of their own sometimes. I'm sorry the topic became lame Aysha.
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Originally Posted by bugsworth
Self knowledge is absolutely not useless BasIam that is simply your opinion. Self knowledge can be the supporting foundation to a successful recovery.
This thread, like others, take on a life of their own sometimes. I'm sorry the topic became lame Aysha.
This thread, like others, take on a life of their own sometimes. I'm sorry the topic became lame Aysha.
Just watch this forum for countless examples.
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Originally Posted by basIam
Self knowledge is useless for an alcoholic.
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"But the actual or potential alcoholic, with hardly an exception, will be absolutely unable to stop drinking on the basis of self-knowledge. This is a point we wish to emphasize and re-emphasize, to smash home upon our alcoholic readers as it has been revealed to us out of bitter experience."
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Originally Posted by Bob23
Actually, my sober journey, with AA, has been about self-discovery, among other things. I now know things about myself I might never have discovered while drunk.
But the question is. . could you count on you knowledge of your alcoholic condition to prevent you from drinking?
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