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Old 12-20-2009, 02:09 PM
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Old 12-20-2009, 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by coffeenut View Post
Bugs said it perfectly.

When I came here, I had hope that I could be sober.

Had I have been told I was going to die unless I (fill in the blank with whatever suits you) I do believe I would have died.

I had to find my own way, not be hit over the head with someone elses way.
No one ever told anyone they were going to die. Just pointed out, if you are alcoholic, chances are you will die from it. . . thats just the nature of alcoholism. Alcholism kills most who are afflicted. Thats just the truth.

No one told anyone they would die unless they did xyz. I always follow it with a question: What are you going to do?

Unfortunately, most newcomers hear what they want to hear and interpret it in some pretty convoluted ways.

Oh well. . .
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Old 12-20-2009, 02:25 PM
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basIam..do you have the studies that support this? That alcoholism kills most who are afflicted with it?
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Old 12-20-2009, 02:43 PM
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basIam..do you have the studies that support this? That alcoholism kills most who are afflicted with it?
I'll leave that to you to research.
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Old 12-20-2009, 02:49 PM
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You made the statement I thought you would have the supporting evidence. Obviously not.
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Old 12-20-2009, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by 51anna View Post
And the Bottom Line in the Newcomers Forum is that we offer hope. It doesn't have to be lies or false reassurance, I have hope and I can share it with others, as it was shared with me.
Sometimes all we need to do is listen, Thanks Anna
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Old 12-20-2009, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by bugsworth View Post
You made the statement I thought you would have the supporting evidence. Obviously not.
Let me google that for you
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Old 12-20-2009, 03:15 PM
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Exactly!
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Old 12-20-2009, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by bugsworth View Post
Exactly!
Please, do expound
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Old 12-20-2009, 03:26 PM
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No need basIam...it just gave me a chuckle. Next time you have that information handy let me know.
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Old 12-20-2009, 03:27 PM
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Old 12-20-2009, 04:18 PM
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Forme..It didnt matter what anyone told me my addiction was going to do. Like I already didnt know. With countless guns that have been put to my head wasnt a clear enough message.
If that doesnt say your gonna die, I dont know what does.
And that still didnt stop me for years. What makes you think, you telling me my life sucks is going to change that?
So when I look for support and need help to get clean. The last thing I need someone telling me is what I already have lived for x amount of years. I want a solution and I want to know that its going to get better no matter how far gone I am.
It doesnt take a freakin rocket scientist to figure out your probably going to die.
I already know all about my addiciton. What I dont know is recovery.
And I may not be clean very long. But I have been at it long enough to know that if I didnt have hope and positive support from people. Why would I even care? I would go on thinking that my life was being in the street, selling my ass and going in and out of jail, just begging for someone to take me out.
Now where the tough love comes in is when someone needs to call me on my BS. But dont tell me **** I already know. No kidding my life sucks. No **** I will probably die if I keep going. Why do you think I am here to begim with?
This topic got really freakin lame.
Some of you need to grow up.
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Old 12-20-2009, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Aysha View Post
**** I will probably die if I keep going. Why do you think I am here to begim with?
This topic got really freakin lame.
Some of you need to grow up.
I think you miss the point, Aysha.

I think the point is, getting sober is not always as simple as putting ones 'mind to it' and that it has killed alot of people who believed that it was.

Self knowledge is useless for an alcoholic. As a matter of fact, that is one of the primary symptoms of alcoholism. As you have clearly pointed out, alcoholism has killed many people who thought they could stay sober on self knowledge alone.

This is the fatal component that needs to be stressed and stressed again.

So I think we are in agreement, arent we?
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Old 12-20-2009, 04:40 PM
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Self knowledge is absolutely not useless BasIam that is simply your opinion. Self knowledge can be the supporting foundation to a successful recovery.
This thread, like others, take on a life of their own sometimes. I'm sorry the topic became lame Aysha.
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Old 12-20-2009, 04:44 PM
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Self knowledge is absolutely not useless BasIam that is simply your opinion. Self knowledge can be the supporting foundation to a successful recovery.
This thread, like others, take on a life of their own sometimes. I'm sorry the topic became lame Aysha.
No, that is my experience.

Just watch this forum for countless examples.
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Old 12-20-2009, 04:50 PM
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Self knowledge is useless for an alcoholic.
Actually, my sober journey, with AA, has been about self-discovery, among other things. I now know things about myself I might never have discovered while drunk.
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Old 12-20-2009, 04:52 PM
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"But the actual or potential alcoholic, with hardly an exception, will be absolutely unable to stop drinking on the basis of self-knowledge. This is a point we wish to emphasize and re-emphasize, to smash home upon our alcoholic readers as it has been revealed to us out of bitter experience."
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Old 12-20-2009, 04:53 PM
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ok...so state that for YOU self knowledge is useless.
I do watch this forum basIam...for close to two and a half years. I dn't see what you have in your month here at SR.
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Old 12-20-2009, 04:54 PM
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Actually, my sober journey, with AA, has been about self-discovery, among other things. I now know things about myself I might never have discovered while drunk.
Oh I whole heartedly agree. . .

But the question is. . could you count on you knowledge of your alcoholic condition to prevent you from drinking?
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Old 12-20-2009, 04:54 PM
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Steve...a bb quote is simply an opinion from the author of the book...it is not a fact.
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