James Frey Breaks the Rules
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I actually see his 'program' as quite conventional and very common.
Much like many beginning fourth steps I've read.
Just as lenghty and just as angry.
Although it lacks clarity.
Much like many beginning fourth steps I've read.
Just as lenghty and just as angry.
Although it lacks clarity.
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Originally Posted by minnie
I thought you hadn't read his book?
And re-read the entire post.
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Remember that most here have not read it or very little of it and we were asked to comment on what was posted.
At least I took the time to do some research on it which is more than can be said of others that haven't even read as much as the reviews to form an opinion.
LOL Don!
Evidently you don't even need that.
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How on earth can you say that his program lacks clarity? It may or may not - I can't say as I have not yet read his book. Perhaps it is the reviewers that lack clarity or understanding.
You call that reasearch? Blimey, I hope you aren't looking for a cure for cancer in your day job.
You call that reasearch? Blimey, I hope you aren't looking for a cure for cancer in your day job.
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Blimey, I hope you aren't looking for a cure for cancer in your day job.
To qualify another alcoholic's or addict's program, in any circumstance, is a clear and profound sign of one's own discomfort at best.
And just bad PR at worst.
To qualify another alcoholic's or addict's program, in any circumstance, is a clear and profound sign of one's own discomfort at best.
And just bad PR at worst.
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I never said his program lacks clarity.
I again congratualate him on his clean time.
His program (as presented here in the first post) is quite conventional.
I tend to stay away from software with bad reviews too.
It's not worth wasting time on it until they get overwhelmingly good reviews.
And equally, this thread is no longer worth wasting any time on either.
Read this book or the other others I mentioned earlier.
Or don't read at all, it's up to you.
Be Well
I again congratualate him on his clean time.
His program (as presented here in the first post) is quite conventional.
I tend to stay away from software with bad reviews too.
It's not worth wasting time on it until they get overwhelmingly good reviews.
And equally, this thread is no longer worth wasting any time on either.
Read this book or the other others I mentioned earlier.
Or don't read at all, it's up to you.
Be Well
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I actually see his 'program' as quite conventional and very common.
Much like many beginning fourth steps I've read.
Just as lenghty and just as angry.
Although it lacks clarity.
Much like many beginning fourth steps I've read.
Just as lenghty and just as angry.
Although it lacks clarity.
You know, one thing AA has taught me is not to have contempt prior to investigation.
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Originally Posted by minnie
Must be my eyes that suffer...
Since I didn't say his program lacks clarity
What else could it be?
Uh - his fourth step of anger which he is still unaware that he did.
The optician can't change that type of perception.
I earnestly wish you well.
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Nah, there's really no other way to read what you wrote, Mogqua. You can change the meaning now, if you want to backpedal. But that's what you're doing, and it doesn't really matter in terms of changing your meaning:
It (his program) is like many Fourth Steps you've read, in that it is lengthy, angry, and lacks clarity.
That means: his program lacks clarity. That's what you said.
It (his program) is like many Fourth Steps you've read, in that it is lengthy, angry, and lacks clarity.
That means: his program lacks clarity. That's what you said.
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Originally Posted by Mogqua
...At least I took the time to do some research on it which is more than can be said of others that haven't even read as much as the reviews to form an opinion.
LOL Don!
Evidently you don't even need that.
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"James Frey has written the War and Peace of addiction. It lends new meaning to the word 'harrowing' and one sometimes shudders to read it. But deep down, beneath all the layers and the masks, there lives something unconquerable in Frey's hurt spirit... And the writing, the writing, the writing."
***PAT CONROY
"A Million Little Pieces is as intense and perfectly detailed an account of a human quitting his drug and alcohol dependency as you are likely to read. And James Frey is horribly honest and funny in a young-guard Eggers and Wallace sort of way, but perhaps more contained and measured. He is unerring in his descent into a world where the characters need help in such extremely desperate ways. Read this immediately."
***GUS VAN SANT
"A Million Little Pieces is this generation's most comprehensive book about addiction: a heartbreaking memoir defined by its youthful tone and poetic honesty. Beneath the brutality of James Frey's painful process of growing up, there are simple gestures of kindness that will reduce even the most jaded to tears. Very few books earn those tears—this one does. It will have you sobbing, laughing, angry, frustrated, and most importantly, hopeful. A Million Little Pieces is inspirational and essential. A remarkable performance."
***BRET EASTON ELLIS
(*edited to change, now that I've read a couple of negative ones.)
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He has gotten through this by:
1) letting go of his fear - he says what he did to himself is far worse than anything anyone could do to him.
2) by 'holding on' - when things are bad, they won't stay that way and you will feel better
I'd love to hear people's comments on this!
I may need some glasses too....but I read something about hearing comments about using the above method to stay sober.....I didn't read anything about a homework assignment to be completed before commenting.
As far as I can tell, that is what Mogqua is doing....commenting. Commenting that letting go of fear is only the beginning of an incredibly vast realm of what one can attain in recovery....the possibilities are endless and the depth of recovery is unmeasurable.
I think it is silly the way posters have jumped on his comments with petty fault-finding and play on semantics.
Mogqua I think you must be on to something.
Your inability to get ruffled under fire is impressive....KUDOS!
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Let's see: 615 reviews on amazon.com
1 star: 8%
2 stars: 5%
3 stars: 6%
4 stars: 13.5%
5 stars: 67.5%
I'm not sure I agree with your statement:
But I'm not a statistician.
Don
1 star: 8%
2 stars: 5%
3 stars: 6%
4 stars: 13.5%
5 stars: 67.5%
I'm not sure I agree with your statement:
The general concenus is that it is "400 pages of raged filled fantasy, egotistical and poorly written."
Most found it tedious and unbelievable.
A couple good reviews but most were laughing at its ridiculousness.
Most found it tedious and unbelievable.
A couple good reviews but most were laughing at its ridiculousness.
Don
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But I'm not a statistician.
BTW Don,
Have you read the Big Book thru from cover to cover?
I bet you have.
You don't stike me as the sort of fella who would try and rip it apart like you do without having done your homework.
But then again.
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I still think Mog's statement about clarity walks like a duck, though.
Semantics or not, the way I perceive the english language can't be that much off the lexicographic track
Semantics or not, the way I perceive the english language can't be that much off the lexicographic track
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Silly boy.
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