GerandTwine

To me, this post reveals some of the beauty of AVR, a Technique that puts the Structural Model to use in exposing the awesome impact of the Big Plan. It's my Big Plan, which took about 5 seconds to complete, that is the actual source of making my future drinking impossible. It's a commitment that actually has a vast presence throughout American history. But the fact that literally scores of millions of people have made it, by other names, doesn't mean mine is any more or less secure. The Big Plan is either on, or not yet connected. It can't be turned off. It's not a switch. It's a permanently wired circuit. It doesn't need a lot of power/effort. It's just there.

The mixed feelings about a sense of need for support is nicely expressed by unentschieden, that mixture being part AV. Instead of support I consider these AVRT threads to be information exchange because the AV loves the idea that one might "need the support of this group". And, as I see it in my short time on SR, TU has been admirably accurate in providing information about what is AV and what isn't.

By the way, I translated unentshieden. It means "undecided". No longer, I bet.

Terminally Unique

The ambivalence/uncertainty, which you note with the qualifier "might not" is precisely what makes the statement Addictive Voice. It is also AV because it places a precondition on not drinking, which necessarily implies a condition for drinking in the absence of that precondition.

My response was probably too direct, notably with posts #17 and #18, which I was conflicted about, but I decided it might help others who were reading zero in on the more subtle forms of AV in their own thinking. Hopefully she won't take it too personally. Neither a Big Plan, nor AVRT, can be forced on another person.

This is true, but this thread wasn't originally about brain chemistry and neurotransmitters. From what I read, Creekryder was having concerns about viewing the Beast of AVRT as a distinct, rational entity.

Terminally Unique

As GerandTwine noted, AVRT is not really about support per se, at least not in the usual sense. Furthermore, if support becomes a precondition for not drinking, which necessarily implies that without support, one will drink, then the desire for support is actually Addictive Voice. That said, it is entirely up to you whether or not to stick around here. While I think that since you grasped AVRT so quickly, you might be able to help others grasp it, there is no obligation for you to do so, and I wish you the best either way.

freshstart57

This has become an AVRT discussion, and I like those plenty, but there may be a different and more comprehensive idea here. This idea of dissociation from our harmful tendencies, a core concept from AVRT, is not novel or new. It can be found in many many paradigms which can lead a state of grace, enlightenment, nirvana, and so on.

I am learning to appreciate the idea that we recognize distractions (such as an urge to drink, or the urge to rear-end that jerk on the freeway) as they enter our consciousness, but that we don't act on them, we don't even judge them. Instead, we separate ourselves from these distractions because they do not come from our Buddha nature / our Christian soul / our sober self etc. They are not 'us'.

Another way to look at this is to consider that by shrinking the attachment suffering / the pain body / moral failings, we are creating space inside ourselves for enlightenment / serenity / state of grace and allowing that to become the dominant force in our lives.

These are some of the parallels and comparisons that I have been thinking about, how to get rid of the junk like addiction so that I can make room for concern for others and serenity for myself.

Terminally Unique

This sounds correct, and Trimpey once compared AVRT to removing the firing pin from a gun, so that it can no longer work. The implication being that with AVRT in place, drinking or using is no longer possible.

Terminally Unique

Indeed it isn't, and you can find almost direct analogues in the scriptures of many ancient religions, certainly in the Bible.

This very thing is discussed in The Art of AVRT, and an analogy is made between one's stream of consciousness and a conveyor belt.