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Old 07-08-2014, 02:28 PM
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That mid stream switch to water was pretty special.

Long term is sort of hallowed, but overcoming slips is pretty good too......
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Old 07-08-2014, 02:40 PM
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So happy to see you and the Fuzz as always. I am in your corner. I think it is GREAT that you poured...that's a big deal, I realize that.

I know you can do this. I feel you moving closer and closer to knowing how much you don't want this in your life.

Sooo glad you are here!

Tight Hugs!
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Old 07-08-2014, 02:47 PM
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I think that was significant, Raider, pouring out the booze. Time to build on that and move forward.
Onward!
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Old 07-08-2014, 02:56 PM
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welp, raider, I asked ya something in a thread of yours not too long ago and ya didn't respond. ill ask again:
what ya gonna do different?
doin the same thing over and over expecting different results or doin the same thing over and over knowing the results will be the same is insanity and if nothing changes nothing changes, soooo....

what ya gonna change?
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Old 07-08-2014, 03:03 PM
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Welcome back Raider, I knew you had it in you.

Tomsteve, does have a valid point I think. I learned this lesson the hard way. I kept repeating the same recipe and kept coking up the same dish every time.
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Old 07-08-2014, 03:24 PM
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Old 07-08-2014, 03:25 PM
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welcome back Pam

I'm kinda interested in the plan too..

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Old 07-08-2014, 03:29 PM
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Thank you all. As you can see ZeeFuzZee somehow wrapped herself up in a light blanket on the bed while I was out for a bit. Couldn't resist the picture. Clearly she was not impressed....



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Old 07-08-2014, 03:36 PM
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You guys and your plans. Ack. My goal is to go to an AA meeting this week. I found one down the street every day at noon. Trying to keep an open mind, but I don't like the idea that anything can be a "higher power". Still I will try. I will start reading Jdooner gave me some ideas starting with the hungry ghost. Sometime this month I have an app with the shrink man. I like him alright, but I was sort of looking for a Dr. Phil. Do they even make dr. Phil's?? Maybe he really is just a TV guy. This week I will start a search for an addiction specialist. I think this will be my initial plan.
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Old 07-08-2014, 03:53 PM
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You guys and your plans. Ack.
What you may perceive as criticism, here and elsewhere, is coming from people who want to see you enjoy the benefits that come with living a sober life.

You only need to be concerned and to start worrying when no one cares.

I've long ago stopped posting comments and/or supporting people who've been around here for quite some time when it was clear to me that there was nothing in it for me to continue yelling "Don't jump!" (Life is too short, and there are people who can and are willing to benefit from our experience.) These are generally people who refuse to accept help, demand that they cannot do this (get sober), that getting sober is an inconvenience and/or who demand that their dismal plans for recovery, based mostly on willpower, is the only way. I'm not an EMT or an ambulance driver, and I don't ever intend to be either.

I don't see this in you at all, and I -- along with many others -- only wish you the best.
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Old 07-08-2014, 04:55 PM
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raider, I did need a plan. having a plan doesn't necessarily mean a higher power or god thing. You might benefit from reading Rational Recovery. It helped me so much. Knew I didn't want to be a drunk any more. AA was OK, I never did enjoy it or felt like I fit in, in spite of all the common symptoms! LOL.

We don't have to suffer in sobriety. I actually have joy and peace in my life today. My go-to solutions don't include something out of a bottle.

the Fuzzy is hilarious. I can only imagine what goes on in his head. My OG had a very expressive face too.

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Old 07-08-2014, 05:01 PM
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You guys and your plans. Ack. My goal is to go to an AA meeting this week. I found one down the street every day at noon. Trying to keep an open mind, but I don't like the idea that anything can be a "higher power". Still I will try. I will start reading Jdooner gave me some ideas starting with the hungry ghost. Sometime this month I have an app with the shrink man. I like him alright, but I was sort of looking for a Dr. Phil. Do they even make dr. Phil's?? Maybe he really is just a TV guy. This week I will start a search for an addiction specialist. I think this will be my initial plan.
Pam...um..aren't you a Christian? This befuddles me.
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Old 07-08-2014, 05:02 PM
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A plan can be as simple as looking at whats made you drink in the past and thinking about better ways to deal with whatever those triggers are

I thought you were a Christian too?

I'm one now, but when I stopped drinking I did not believe in a God. My higher power - the thing that spurred me on to do the right thing even when I didn't believe in myself - were the good people here at SR.

They gave me support and understanding (and the occasional boot up the bum) and for my part I gave recovery 100%.

I did everything I could but drink - I took that away as an option.

It was hard but gradually I found that I dealt with difficult and uncomfortable people, situations and emotions sober quite well.

I didn't need to drink
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Old 07-08-2014, 05:20 PM
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I am a Christian. I don't consider AA a Christian organization. Uh oh.....we aren't gonna fight now are we........
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Old 07-08-2014, 05:23 PM
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, but I don't like the idea that anything can be a "higher power".
misconception there and really don't understand it. I can make the group my HP. what happens if the group disbands? I can make a doorknob my HP. what happens if that doorknob breaks or the building with that doorknob burns down? I was at a meeting once and someone with misinformation took a Styrofoam coffee cup,set it on the table and said,"you can make this cup yer HP if ya want!" then the woman sitting next to her smashed the cup and said,"now what?"

its a HP of your understanding. you are a Christian. that's the same HP I have, so yer free to use mine. He rocks!!!
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I guess we differ in opinion. I see much crossover..and uh..is God not your Higher Power? Step 5, to me, is pretty much all about repentance. Forgive us our shortcomings? Shortcomings are essentially ..sins. The original meaning of sin goes way back to Archers (archery people). When archers were shooting out their arrows or whatever to a target..there was a guy who behind the targets and would call out "Sin" when they "fell short of the target".
Sins are shortcomings..
In my opinion, the BB text was written based on the goodness of a lot of faith fundamentals...BUT they wanted to be all inclusive..to not scare anyone away ..so they kind of tried to take things that may offend ..and in essence, exclude non believers...

Hmmm...sorry perhaps this is too much for the Newcomer's forum lol

Sorry it was my exploration of Christianity and other faiths last year that actually made AA make a little more sense for me.
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Old 07-08-2014, 05:40 PM
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Hey Raider

No qualifications required for support ! Its good to see that you're trying some alternatives. Just keep an open mind. AA may or may not work for you. However, walk into the room with no preconceptions or expectations. It may surprise you Also the Higher Power is, in my view, an aim to provide an opportunity for one to introduce spirituality into their lives. THough AA has Christian origins, it has evolved beyond that so the Higher Power can be widely interpreted. Hang in there !
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Old 07-08-2014, 05:53 PM
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Maybe your conception of recovery is a little like mine is now Raider?

God can move mountains, but we better be prepared to work a shovel too

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Old 07-08-2014, 06:09 PM
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wow, if there was ever a cat face asking for memes, that's the one
AGREE! Fuzz could say... "No, I ain't a Chihuahua!" He is so adorable!

Raider, you should start thread Memes for the Fuzz!
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Old 07-08-2014, 06:09 PM
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I am a Christian. I don't consider AA a Christian organization. Uh oh.....we aren't gonna fight now are we........
What about Celebrate Recovery? I heard it is a Christian organization. It's 8 Principles are similar to the 12 steps of AA, however, unlike AA, it is strictly Christian. Maybe there are some CR meetings near where you live? They have a website at celebraterecovery.com
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