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Old 05-24-2019, 06:15 AM
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I hate the Summer....

This isn't directly related to being a friend or relative of an alcohol and maybe in another way, this year it is.

I think I hate the Summer. We've been having really sunny days here lately and temperatures are up. I find myself very irritable and wishing for rain. I have put a blind on my sitting room window to keep light out and blackout ones on my bedroom curtains to stop very early morning sun coming in. The thoughts of months of this is making me stressed. I don't want to buy summer clothes as I feel, although I'm physically fit, my body isn't in the best shape. I like to keep covered up, wearing coats, jumpers, shirts and v necks which can look smart. I just feel like I want to keep hibernating, and feel under pressure to be outside. Not to mention the amount of extra noise that this time of year brings, lawnmowers, hedget and lots of people out and about, everything is too open!

The reason I'm posting is I haven't really been able to say this to anyone without sounding like a whinge or moaner. It's nearly a year since a went to visit my ex, which was a traumatic experience (Jun 7th), and don't know if this is related. This time last year I was all prepared to go visit him thinking the future was going to be bright. Wow did that not work out. This year I don't have anything to look forward to, can't afford holidays, feel as a Codependent in recovery I'm really just left alone with me now and it sucks. Take away all the drama, all the focusing on someone else and it's back to learning to love me. That's hard and I'm struggling. I'm lethargic and struggling to do my basic daily stuff, although I'm keeping up my exercise etc, but I feel like I'm going around in circles.

I'm beginning to wonder if I'm depressed. So irritated by everything and everyone. I liked before where my focus was not on my life so much, I now feel left with myself and friends again, and I realise now we're on different paths. That's such a hard realisation. I'm grateful for all I've learned about codependency and needing to love myself first but it's so hard.

Anyone else hate summer?
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I do. Because he’s not working as much so he’s drinking more and harder stuff, which means he’s meaner. And he’s around more, and he’s belittling and grumpy even sober.
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I relate. I feel like Summer puts a lot of pressure on people, especially introverts because we are expected to go out and be social and interact and be so joyful because it's Summer! Fall is my favorite time of year. I love rainy days where I can curl up with a good book or watch a movie. I love cooler weather. Not a fan of summer heat and social activities and hate bright light in the morning! You are not alone Glenjo.
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I relate. I feel like Summer puts a lot of pressure on people, especially introverts because we are expected to go out and be social and interact and be so joyful because it's Summer! Fall is my favorite time of year. I love rainy days where I can curl up with a good book or watch a movie. I love cooler weather. Not a fan of summer heat and social activities and hate bright light in the morning! You are not alone Glenjo.
So good to hear I'm not alone. I'm beginning to think I'm going mad. I love fall too. I do think it's because I'm an introvert too. Cooler weather helps me feel more productive but heat wipes me out. The irritability part is worrying me, I'm wondering is that normal.
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I tend to like summer but I do get not liking the sunny and cheerful weather when I'm miserable.

Maybe you are depressed Glenjo. It is worth looking into.
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Glenjo it may just be that you need to find something to focus your energy on. Something for you. I went back to school and it kept me so busy that I didn't have time to think about anything else but my studies. Now school is out and I have been feeling a bit lost. Not sure what to do with myself and thoughts are creeping in again. Our own thoughts can drive us crazy! I too am codependent but have made improvements over the last few years. Hang in there. It sounds like you are quite normal but if you do find yourself depressed by all means talk to someone. Glad you are here .
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As an introvert, I can declare that my favorite part of summer is the mornings, when nobody else is up. I sometimes take my camera and document a day unsullied and untrampled by people, not necessarily for the images, but for the silence.

Realizing that you are on a very different path from your friends is a hard pill to swallow. However, this is a time to find friends that are your friends by choice, not by circumstance, and I can tell you it can reap bountiful rewards if you just give it time. I don't have a thousand friends, but I have a choice few that I consider my second family. In the end, I'd rather have one true blue friend than a thousand drinking buddies.

I second suncatcher's advice to find some sort of structured way to get out there. Whether it's a class or a club organized around an interest of yours, sometimes you just need to get out of your head.
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I have classic SAD (Seasonal Affective Disorder), and winter knocks me for a loop. Mostly the short days, but mine is pretty severe. Here in Los Angeles we have May Gray and June Gloom, where it's cloudy for days at a time. Even this slight weather variation knocks me for a loop.

A small subset of people have reverse SAD, where long days, sun and hot temperatures make them depressed. I have a friend like that, she lived here for 20 years and was miserable. As soon as she moved back to the Northeast with cold and snow and clouds and more rain and short days her mood dramatically improved.

If this is a yearly pattern for you it might be a seasonal depression thing.
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As an introvert, I can declare that my favorite part of summer is the mornings, when nobody else is up. I sometimes take my camera and document a day unsullied and untrampled by people, not necessarily for the images, but for the silence.

Realizing that you are on a very different path from your friends is a hard pill to swallow. However, this is a time to find friends that are your friends by choice, not by circumstance, and I can tell you it can reap bountiful rewards if you just give it time. I don't have a thousand friends, but I have a choice few that I consider my second family. In the end, I'd rather have one true blue friend than a thousand drinking buddies.

I second suncatcher's advice to find some sort of structured way to get out there. Whether it's a class or a club organized around an interest of yours, sometimes you just need to get out of your head.
That time of morning when no one else is up is also my favourite time too. So peaceful and spirtitual, I often go hill walking or for a run at these times. I agree I need something new to focus on aswell. I have been studying part time but I still have a lot of downtime. I don't want to socialise in bars but something more fulfilling.
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I have classic SAD (Seasonal Affective Disorder), and winter knocks me for a loop. Mostly the short days, but mine is pretty severe. Here in Los Angeles we have May Gray and June Gloom, where it's cloudy for days at a time. Even this slight weather variation knocks me for a loop.

A small subset of people have reverse SAD, where long days, sun and hot temperatures make them depressed. I have a friend like that, she lived here for 20 years and was miserable. As soon as she moved back to the Northeast with cold and snow and clouds and more rain and short days her mood dramatically improved.

If this is a yearly pattern for you it might be a seasonal depression thing.
I've heard of this actually and I wonder if I have it. I always notice this time of year the transition from spring to summer, and also summer to autumn throws me for a loop. However feeling it a lot more intensely this year and don't remember feeling quite so irritable. Maybe a chat with my doctor is in order.
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Glenjo it may just be that you need to find something to focus your energy on. Something for you. I went back to school and it kept me so busy that I didn't have time to think about anything else but my studies. Now school is out and I have been feeling a bit lost. Not sure what to do with myself and thoughts are creeping in again. Our own thoughts can drive us crazy! I too am codependent but have made improvements over the last few years. Hang in there. It sounds like you are quite normal but if you do find yourself depressed by all means talk to someone. Glad you are here .
Thanks I think I may need to find something else to focus my energy on, it's just the lack of it that's my concern, lack of energy. I'm having naps in the day as well as sleep at night.
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i struggle with the stupid daylight saving change every time. i already have a reliably lousy sleep pattern, then we up and artificially change the damn time!?? then my head gets stuck doing the math over and over. (ok yesterday right now was 4, but now it's 3, so will it be dark longer, lighter later, is it time get up yet?)

recently my husband was moved to a different job site (he's in masony construction, they are always hopping around) and this meant setting the alarm for 4am to get the coffee going etc. it dang near broke me!! i wake up every night many times, but almost always around 2am. so then the math thing kicks in....ok, two hours to go before the alarm. two hours, come on, we gotta get back to sleep! if i DO fall back asleep then i am just a zombie at 4am cuz it's still the middle of the damn night!!!

last week at work i finally hit the wall. even tho hank had been moved to a different job by then, meaning get up time was now 4:30 (whoop di do) my mind/body was still stuck on 4am. anyways, last thursday i just suddenly felt awful at work - AWFUL. i'd been doubling up on coffee and my tummy was having no more of it and i was stuck with crushing fatigue. crawled home, got in bed and it took all of the rest of thursday AND friday and part of saturday to finally start to feel half way normal again. and most of that time was spent IN bed resting.

i took today off to give myself a FOUR DAY weekend.

biorhythms are a real thing. sleep patterns are a real thing. reactions to time, temperature amount of light are a real thing.

i'm glad you shared this with us glenjo. it gives you a starting point to explore your personal life experience as it compares to your environment. mindful man's statement about SAD and reverse SAD is very insightful. lots of good stuff to ponder.
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One would think that, over a few decades of time, one would be able to learn a new habit....and, override certain biorhythms....?
Well...not for me. As a small child, I lived on my grandmother's farm...This meant t hat, before dawn, every day...when the rooster crowed, everyone was up...to build fires in the stove...milk cows, gather eggs, etc. Without exception. I remember hating the early rising, every morning...hating it....
Then, as a child in the city, I had to rise before dawn to catch the early school bus....
Then, as a young adult, I entered a profession that dictated that I rise before dawn, in order to be in the hospital, at the change of shifts....every day of my life....
An entire lifetime of rising before dawn....and, I have hated it every day of my life....I never, ever, have adjusted to that habit....
The worst, for me, was adolescence, when the melatonin levels rise, in the body...making ALL teens want to sleep more in the morning...I literally dreamed of finding a life where I could sleep till ten'oclock in the morning, every day....(I couldn't find one....and, the Germanic work ethic that was pounded into my bones by my caretakers would have made me an outcast)….

I can remember my grandmother, repeating, to me, a gazillion times..."Early to bed, and early to rise---makes a person healthy, wealthy, and wise!".....

I always liked staying up late and sleeping late....no matter what my life style/environment required.

So, yes, I agree that biorhythms are a real thing....
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For me, I like spring!

You would hate it where I live Glenjo, the sun doesn't set in the summer until 11 PM ish!

I actually have had black out curtains on my bedroom windows for years, not just the curtain, the actual black out panels underneath as well. I also have a portable air conditioner which blocks out noise (if you aren't interested in having a chilly room, you can just set it high and the fan just runs).

I also don't like high temperatures but I'm surrounded by people who do. I grew up in the tropics, I don't remember it bothering me too much but hey, most places were air conditioned.

So first things first, do the things that make your home more comfortable for you, whether that is black out curtains or an air conditioner, lighter bedding etc.

Secondly, as I'm reading your post I thought of depression as well. See if this rings true for you at all:



If so, get ye to the doctor! No need to suffer with this any more than you have to. It may be situational, sometimes medication can still help short term.

Perhaps, since you have nothing in particular to look forward to you could plan a holiday or something? Where do you want to go, what do you want to do? Make a plan, set a financial goal? Then do it, start putting that money aside, looking at accommodation etc - even if you don't feel like it right now.

Also, have you looked up meet-up groups nearby? Maybe something casual like a group of hikers would be something you could start with?

There are generally support groups for people with depression, it might be worth investigating. Then you and a bunch of depressed people can go out for coffee afterward! (lol - j/k)
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One would think that, over a few decades of time, one would be able to learn a new habit....and, override certain biorhythms....?
Well...not for me. As a small child, I lived on my grandmother's farm...This meant t hat, before dawn, every day...when the rooster crowed, everyone was up...to build fires in the stove...milk cows, gather eggs, etc. Without exception. I remember hating the early rising, every morning...hating it....
Then, as a child in the city, I had to rise before dawn to catch the early school bus....
Then, as a young adult, I entered a profession that dictated that I rise before dawn, in order to be in the hospital, at the change of shifts....every day of my life....
An entire lifetime of rising before dawn....and, I have hated it every day of my life....I never, ever, have adjusted to that habit....
The worst, for me, was adolescence, when the melatonin levels rise, in the body...making ALL teens want to sleep more in the morning...I literally dreamed of finding a life where I could sleep till ten'oclock in the morning, every day....(I couldn't find one....and, the Germanic work ethic that was pounded into my bones by my caretakers would have made me an outcast)….

I can remember my grandmother, repeating, to me, a gazillion times..."Early to bed, and early to rise---makes a person healthy, wealthy, and wise!".....

I always liked staying up late and sleeping late....no matter what my life style/environment required.

So, yes, I agree that biorhythms are a real thing....
Morning people can be like ex-smokers.

I had a boss that said to me (amongst many other toxic things) "I get more done in my day than you do by the time you wake up."

I've met many like her, morning people that act like they're morally superior because they get up early and are productive early in the day, when in reality, it's largely genetic and a quirk of biology. Some people are "larks" and some are "owls." I'm an "owl." I can also get up at 5am for a while, even years, and as soon as my body gets the chance it reverts to sleeping until 9-10am, and it's nearly IMPOSSIBLE to get back to the early rising time. Our ethos and society also rewards people who get up early, but some of us just aren't naturally wired that way, and it's a daily struggle. Unless I've banged my head against the wall and forced a 5am wake-up time, it's virtually impossible for me to fall asleep before 11pm, at the EARLIEST. My body naturally settles in at 2am - 10am, or something like that. Morning people, like all of us, extrapolate from their own experiences, and think "Well, just go to bed earlier!" It's not that easy for those of us who are night people.

Reminds me, I need to make an appointment with my sleep doc. There's actually a name for the condition that I have, it's called Delayed Sleep Phase Syndrome, and it's not easy to treat. Interestingly enough the beset way to reset my clock is to go to sleep LATER, until I get to the time I need to go to bed...but it's pretty difficult to be sleeping from, say, noon to 8pm for a bit. It takes weeks. AND a few nights of late to bed/late to rise and I'm right back where I started.

It may be related to my Seasonal Affective Disorder, both of which run in my family, as well as Bipolar Disorder. It's a constellation of symptoms, and probably has a common biological component.
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i struggle with the stupid daylight saving change every time. i already have a reliably lousy sleep pattern, then we up and artificially change the damn time!?? then my head gets stuck doing the math over and over. (ok yesterday right now was 4, but now it's 3, so will it be dark longer, lighter later, is it time get up yet?)

recently my husband was moved to a different job site (he's in masony construction, they are always hopping around) and this meant setting the alarm for 4am to get the coffee going etc. it dang near broke me!! i wake up every night many times, but almost always around 2am. so then the math thing kicks in....ok, two hours to go before the alarm. two hours, come on, we gotta get back to sleep! if i DO fall back asleep then i am just a zombie at 4am cuz it's still the middle of the damn night!!!

last week at work i finally hit the wall. even tho hank had been moved to a different job by then, meaning get up time was now 4:30 (whoop di do) my mind/body was still stuck on 4am. anyways, last thursday i just suddenly felt awful at work - AWFUL. i'd been doubling up on coffee and my tummy was having no more of it and i was stuck with crushing fatigue. crawled home, got in bed and it took all of the rest of thursday AND friday and part of saturday to finally start to feel half way normal again. and most of that time was spent IN bed resting.

i took today off to give myself a FOUR DAY weekend.

biorhythms are a real thing. sleep patterns are a real thing. reactions to time, temperature amount of light are a real thing.

i'm glad you shared this with us glenjo. it gives you a starting point to explore your personal life experience as it compares to your environment. mindful man's statement about SAD and reverse SAD is very insightful. lots of good stuff to ponder.
Thanks biorythms are definitely real. Sounds like you've been through a time of it too.
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For me, I like spring!

You would hate it where I live Glenjo, the sun doesn't set in the summer until 11 PM ish!

I actually have had black out curtains on my bedroom windows for years, not just the curtain, the actual black out panels underneath as well. I also have a portable air conditioner which blocks out noise (if you aren't interested in having a chilly room, you can just set it high and the fan just runs).

I also don't like high temperatures but I'm surrounded by people who do. I grew up in the tropics, I don't remember it bothering me too much but hey, most places were air conditioned.

So first things first, do the things that make your home more comfortable for you, whether that is black out curtains or an air conditioner, lighter bedding etc.

Secondly, as I'm reading your post I thought of depression as well. See if this rings true for you at all:



If so, get ye to the doctor! No need to suffer with this any more than you have to. It may be situational, sometimes medication can still help short term.

Perhaps, since you have nothing in particular to look forward to you could plan a holiday or something? Where do you want to go, what do you want to do? Make a plan, set a financial goal? Then do it, start putting that money aside, looking at accommodation etc - even if you don't feel like it right now.

Also, have you looked up meet-up groups nearby? Maybe something casual like a group of hikers would be something you could start with?

There are generally support groups for people with depression, it might be worth investigating. Then you and a bunch of depressed people can go out for coffee afterward! (lol - j/k)
Depressed people going for coffee, sounds exciting....


I think I will make an appointment with the doctor for a chat, however I still would be resistant to medication especially if it's for something short term like reverse sad.

Ideally I would like to move to a desserted island for a few months, failing that build huge walls around my home to block out the light. Wish I didn't feel this way.
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I have heard that same comment from people who are depressed.

I agree about the medication absolutely, it can create more problems in the long run than it is worth.

That said, I think of it as a balance. If your leg hurt every time you walked and the doctor said well, let's give you this painkiller to take every morning for 6 months. It will make it so that you can walk around pretty much pain free and allow your leg to heal.

You'd be on your way to the pharmacy?

People tend to think of a chemical imbalance or depression etc as somehow different. Like if you can just grit your teeth and bear it and think positive and sit in the sun you will miraculously be able to get it right.

The mind is a complicated and powerful thing, while I 100 percent believe in trying non-harmful alternatives to drugs, this is your well-being you are talking about.

Listen to yourself, you want to go live on a desert island, you want to build walls around your house to block out the light. Really think about that. It's time to call in the big dogs, time to ask for help.

If that's not a drug, what will you try? Hypnotherapy? Acupuncture, massage, chanting, support groups, sunshine, talking to friends, talk therapy, Al Anon, herbalists.

Make a plan, no matter how much you can't be bothered, that is key.
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Glenjo, thank you for bringing up this topic, it made me think. I remember always loving the summer, but I have a problem with that now.

One of my favorite songs is "Paint it Black" https://www.google.com/search?client...paint+it+black

I have situational depression, only problem is, I had it for decades.

I sometimes feel like in the summer you can't hide anymore behind the heavy clothes, or coats, that sometimes you feel like the emperor with no clothes. You feel exposed to things that you don't want to deal with, and you just want to run back in, jump back into bed and pull the covers up all over you. To me, it was like I just wanted to keep all my secrets and my feelings to myself, and I didn't want to let anyone else in, I didn't want anyone to really know me.

I'm still working on this, but I am coming out of my shell, (my protective clothing).

For me, it's weird because I do love summer, and I couldn't understand why I couldn't wait for that season, but now that it's here, it's like it's taking my cover away from me. By you bringing this topic up, it's making it easier for me to realize what my fears were and to be able to do something about it.

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Glenjo, thank you for bringing up this topic, it made me think. I remember always loving the summer, but I have a problem with that now.

One of my favorite songs is "Paint it Black" https://www.google.com/search?client...paint+it+black

I have situational depression, only problem is, I had it for decades.

I sometimes feel like in the summer you can't hide anymore behind the heavy clothes, or coats, that sometimes you feel like the emperor with no clothes. You feel exposed to things that you don't want to deal with, and you just want to run back in, jump back into bed and pull the covers up all over you. To me, it was like I just wanted to keep all my secrets and my feelings to myself, and I didn't want to let anyone else in, I didn't want anyone to really know me.

I'm still working on this, but I am coming out of my shell, (my protective clothing).

For me, it's weird because I do love summer, and I couldn't understand why I couldn't wait for that season, but now that it's here, it's like it's taking my cover away from me. By you bringing this topic up, it's making it easier for me to realize what my fears were and to be able to do something about it.

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That's exactly it Amy, it's a feeling of being overly exposed. Do you take medication?
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