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Old 06-07-2006, 08:21 PM
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CES device

has anyone ever tried/heard of these?

They used to be by prescription only in USA, but I think regulations have lessened recently. CES stands for Cranial Electro Stimulation.

Apparently its really good for helping with addictions (alcoholism is what the studies have focused on, but I suspect any addiction wuld work)

They help to restore your brain back to 'baseline' levels. Im curious the input ...
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I thought they were used a a last case treatment for depression?
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mm, ya its an alternative treatment, so its obviously not the 'front line,' but there are many holistic practicioners out there, who high advocate them. Also they are used in addiction recovery, becasue they can help restore brain balance to 'pre' addiction.

Like i said, its alternative, and probably frowned upon in the states and by mainstrea medicine. Possibly because there is huge multi-billion dollar pharmaceutical interest in keeping alternative treatments, like diet, chiropractic, acupuncture, CES, meditation off to the side as 'kooky' or not effective.

Although I'm sure mose of you on here can at least attest for the good powers or strenght of at least one of the items mentioned in the previous paragraph.

So, CES device. I suggest you conduct your own research on this, im just bringing the topic up although i did just receive mine in the mail, and I am VERY HAPPY with it. Its possibly one of the most effective/strongest things I have used to date, for basically Dysthymia. (but i can see it help addicts who are truly trying to regain their lives).
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so that thing really works for depression?? How much and where can i buy one? do you think its all in your head... or does it really work?
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i think from this site is the main issue. The best one to get is the "bt-7," its created by a doctor, and been revised since 1982. So it has 25+ years of holding up. I wont post any links, since you can research that yourself, but the best price is about $172 shipped.

I just got mine last week, im still getting used to it, I think its VERY POWERFUL for me, and effective. Its defenitely not just in my head, its is powerful. For example sometimes I think my meditation or other practices might just have effects in my head. But this is like extra strenght Tylenol.

I dont have long term results since I just got it last week, but you can research that online, and I will post more results as they come (very good so far).

So, be sure to comment on it here once you get yours! Love to hear other peoples feedback. I'll send PM for the location of the store i got mine from. OK, thanks for your interest.
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Cranial Electro Stimulation.
Hmm...so, you're giving your brain electric shock treatment....
....and you think this is a good idea?
Honestly, IMHO, this sounds like snake oil. Give someone an easy way out of their problem. No work; no choices in behaviors to be made. Just give a quick electric shock.
I fear the long term effects if the electric current is of any theraputic value, (yea, this is used by mental institutions for sever, non responsive depression). And if it's not of effective level, well, you can fear for your own wallet.

Sometimes, warnings against a product exist for good reason. You know, if it sounds too good to be true....
(...it probably is! )

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Shalom to you too.

How do you feel about pharmaceuticals?

Here is some (non-commercial) informational information lol for Shiverz and anyone else.
http://www.hackcanada.com/homegrown/...e/ces/ces.html
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Ohayo gozaimashita! Ogenki desuka?

You might enjoy the book, "Would the Buddha Wear a Walkman?" by Hooper & Teresi. It features hundreds of products designed to "enhance and expand the mind" and lots of speculation. It's a fun & engaging read, if you like this sort of stuff.

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I found an interesting Q & A regarding this -

Q. What is the history of CES?

A. At least two millennium ago, physicians used electric eels to relieve pain. Experimentation with low intensity electrical stimulation of the brain was first reported by Drs. Leduc and Rouxeau of France in 1902. Research on using what is now referred to as cranial electrotherapy stimulation (CES) for treatment of anxiety began in the Soviet Union during the 1950's, its primary focus being the treatment of sleep disorders, hence its initial designation as "electrosleep." Treatment of insomnia was soon overshadowed, however, by psychiatric application for depression and anxiety. Since then, it has been referred to by many other names, the most popular being transcranial electrotherapy (TCET) and neuroelectric therapy (NET).

East European nations soon picked up CES as a treatment modality and its use spread worldwide. by the late 1960's, animal studies of CES had begun in the United States at the University of Tennessee and what is now the University of Wisconsin Medical school.

These were soon followed by human clinical trials at the University of Texas Medical school in San Antonio and the University of Wisconsin Medical School. More studies have followed. At present, the number of human studies stands at 103. In addition, there are 18 experimental animal studies, all of which attest to the safety of CES.

CES has been an international treatment modality for more than 50 years. Thousands of people worldwide continue to receive its benefits. The most extensive work on CES continues in Russia at the Pavlov Institute in St. Petersburg. But by no means is its use restricted to that part of the world. Current estimates are that there are between 50- 100,000 units in use globally. From a broad reading of published literature, no negative effects or major contraindications have been found from the use of CES to date, either in the U.S. or other parts of the world.

Q. Who could benefit most from the use of CES?

A. First and foremost, those suffering from stress in the form of depression, anxiety, and insomnia who seek an effective non- pharmacologic alternative. Secondly, those suffering from illnesses where stress constitutes a prime symptom.

According to the American Academy of Family Physicians, stress-related problems account for 80-85% of all visits to medical offices. Research indicates that 80-85% of all diseases are caused by stress which plays a major role in aggravating up to 90% of all illnesses and some part in the development of every disease, from cancer to the common cold.

It has been estimated that 80% of the populace of the United States react to life adjustment problems with the "flight" or "fight" anxiety reaction. And that a similar percentage of our hospitals are filled with persons who have channeled anxiety released energies into their bodies resulting in psychogenic illnesses.

Among those illnesses are: substance abuse withdrawal syndrome (alcohol, street drugs, nicotine, prescription drugs), chronic fatigue syndrome including fybromyalgia, pre-menstrual syndrome, attention deficit disorder and hyperactivity, migraine and tension headaches, TMJ dysfunction, chronic pain, pre-competitive and performance anxiety, panic disorders, tic dolereaux, bruxism, stress induced asthma, hives, gastrointestinal disorders, ulcers or gastritis, and irritable bowel syndrome, to name a few.

We would underscore, however, that CES is not a cure for these illnesses and does not represent itself as such. But by successfully addressing the anxiety, depression, and insomnia underlying these disorders, it can play a major role in the healing process.

Q. Is CES then only for the "sick" and the "stressed-out ?"

A. You don't have to be "sick" or "stressed-out" to use CES and realize its benefits. CES is a life-enhancing instrument of potential value to everyone. Its uses are wide ranging. Some people use it as an adjunct to meditation practice each morning. Others during peak stressor moments that hit unexpectedly in the course of a day. Who hasn't experienced those times when we are about to "lose it?" Putting the unit on in these situations even just briefly--perhaps for as little as ten minutes-- can help curb that anxiety and serve as a reminder that one needs to be with ones self in a different way.

CES also represents a significant affirmation that you have the power within to change your mental state and that you are willing to take active steps to create the time and the space to do so.

Many use CES as an assist to their creative work or in high stress situations. CES quiets the mind, making it especially helpful in preparing for examinations or as an accelerated learning tool, such as when memorizing blocks of material. For the athlete readying for competition, it helps create the state of relaxed awareness helping them enter the zone of maximum performance. Each person finds for themselves how to best incorporate CES into their daily routine

Q. Can CES be used as a sleep aid?

A. The 100 Hz CES unit can be used at bedtime. But the .5 Hz CES needs to be employed differently.

Because of the increased alertness resulting almost immediately from its use, some patients may find it difficult to fall asleep immediately after a treatment. Accordingly it is recommended that the .5 Hz CES application be done at least three hours before going to bed. But by no means does that mean that it is contraindicated for insomnia.

One thing CES users often report is an increase in vivid dreaming. This results from compensation for lost REM sleep. As your sleep pattern begins to normalize--within the next two or three nights--it should become less frequent.

Q. Does CES work for everyone?

A. No. But it is known to be significantly effective for about 95% of the people who use it.

Q. What can I expect ?

A. Most people will experience a relaxation response almost immediately after treatment begins with a CES unit. Immediately after a CES treatment, patients usually report feeling relaxed and sometimes inebriated for the first few minutes. This is a pleasant and very comfortable sensation. After several minutes to hours, the light-headed feelings usually disappear, the relaxed state remains and a profound sense of alertness is achieved.

This relaxed/alert state will usually remain for an average of 12 to 72 hours after the first few treatments. With regular use it is possible for the patient to habituate to this preferred state of consciousness. Some patients describe the CES experience as analogous to having a type A mind in a type B body.

During the treatment some people will notice a subjective change in their body weight. You might feel heavier at first and then lighter, or you may simply feel lighter initially. You could feel slightly worse during the heavy cycle, and this feeling could last for days unless extra treatment time is given. Therefore it is important to continue the treatment for a few extra minutes if you should feel heavier at the end of the allotted time, even if it has already been twenty minutes or more. Continue for at least two minutes after you feel lighter. Although this is quite common, not everyone will be aware of these weight perception changes.

Q. What long range changes should I expect?

A. Sleep patterns should begin to normalize within the first day or two, with less and shorter periods of awakening during the night, faster onset of sleep after going to bed, and a greater feeling of being rested upon awakening the following morning. Depression and mood swings become less, as does irrational anger, irritability, and poor impulse control. By the second week, cognitive processing is visibly enhanced. Mental confusion due to stress begins to subside as the ability to focus and concentrate on work becomes easier and more efficient. The ability to recall information and accelerate learning also begins to return to normal pre-stress levels as concentration and memory improve.

Q. What is the suggested length and frequency of treatment?

A. For the 100Hz unit the recommended usage is 30-45 minutes once or twice daily for the first month after which the frequency may be reduced to two or three times weekly once symptoms are reduced or eliminated entirely. The 0.5 Hz unit recommended usage is three times a week for twenty to forty minutes, although there are some who will benefit from a more frequent daily treatment. There are also some who will achieve the full benefits within ten minutes. Some dentists use it instead of nitrous oxide during dental procedures that last for hours .You yourself determine how to best incorporate CES into your daily routine. It can be used on waking in the morning and/or on going to bed at night and/or in response to stress situations. Individuals undergoing psychiatric treatment or rehabilitation for substance abuse often benefit from more frequent and prolonged application.

Those suffering from severe anxiety and extremes of compulsive or addictive behavior may find it necessary to use it more frequently, perhaps several times daily. When symptoms of depression or anxiety have lessened or disappeared, it is still important to have access to the unit as a tool for relapse prevention on an as-needed basis. It is helpful to work in close conjunction with your physician/healthcare professional to determine the role CES plays in your overall treatment program.

Q. Can you overuse the unit? / Are there any adverse effects from doing so?

A. You can't really overuse it. There have been no reported adverse effects from more frequent use. The objective of CES is to return neurotransmitter activity to pre-stress homeostasis. Once attained, CES has no additional effect. Serving as a training wheels of sorts, CES helps you reprogram yourself. Rather than learning to rely on the unit, you learn instead how to refine and expand the art of self-regulation. CES teaches you to become more sensitively attuned to yourself and better understand your body and its needs.

Along the way, you will intuitively come to know when CES is needed and when it is to be put aside. You alone will become the determinant of use, as regards both frequency and duration.

During its usage, you will experience periods of relative calm and a sense of control. You may even succumb to a bit of self- congratulations. Seemingly, your CES unit appears destined for the bottom of a drawer. Life being what it is, however, just as you are ready to celebrate for successfully negotiating your personal terrain with skill and dignity--- Voila! New challenges appear from nowhere,--a veritable curveball from Hell. CES can help move you through those difficult transitions. Keep it handy. Incorporate it into your daily regimen.

The continuing use of the unit allows for further refinement of stress management skills at newer and higher levels of complexity.

Q. Is CES difficult to use? /How much technical skill does it take?

A. Most CES units are user friendly. After having put on either the electrodes or the earclips and inserted the leadwire into the jack, it's all very simple. CES units either feature an on-off knob that also controls the amplitude (turning it to the right increases the amount of current) as in the 100 Hz devices. They use a button that turns the unit on and a side wheel that increases the amplitude (The Alpha Stim in addition displays the amount of micro-current being used from 1-6, each numeral representing one hundred microamperes). Start with a low current and gradually increase it. If the current is too high, the patient may experience a stinging at the electrodes, dizziness or nausea. If any of these symptoms occur, simply reduce the current and the symptoms will immediately subside. After a minute or two, try increasing the current again, but always keep it at a comfortable level. It's ok to feel the current providing it is not uncomfortable.

Q. How does CES work?

A. As is the case with numerous medications, including aspirin, the exact physiological mechanism by which CES works is not fully understood and is still the subject of research study. It is hypothesized that CES acts by direct stimulation of the brain in the hypothalmic area with specific electronic frequencies. Such stimulation causes the brain to manufacture various neurohormones that effect ones moods and emotions as well as ones cognitive capabilities back to a level of pre-stress homeostasis. For a more detailed hypothesis see "The Biolectrical Mechanism" under Research.

Q. How does electromedicine such as CES differ from Western drug medicine?

A. Western drug medicine relies primarily on chemistry to heal and control pain. Microcurrent electrical therapy (MET) is based on the concept that the biophysics underlying the chemistry also plays a significant role in regulating bodily processes. Using waveforms at a level of current similar to the body's own, MET bridges cellular communications helping reestablish the normal electrical flow.

The concept of a bioelectrical control system is common to every form of healing ever developed in recorded history, except for drug medicine. The Chinese named bioelectricity chi; the Japanese called it ki, the Indians referred to it as prana, and the Russians, bioplasma. There are 75 trillion cells in the human body, each one having an electrical potential across its cell membrane, just like a battery. Though acknowledging this fact, Western medicine does not yet fully appreciate the natural healing powers of the body or the bioelectrical systems that control them. .

Q. How is the current transmitted?

A. The traditional 100Hz unit utilizes pre-gelled electrodes that snap on or attach to the end of leadwire that plugs into jack of the unit. The Brain Tuner (BT-5 and 6) employs a stethoscope shaped device that sits beneath the ears.

The 0.5 Hz unit (Alpha Stim) uses "ear clips" with felt electrodes that adhere to the clips. Saturate the felt electrodes with saline solution and then apply them to the superior aspect of the earlobes as close to the jaw as possible.

Q. Under what circumstances is CES best used?

A. CES units generally come with a built-in belt-clip allowing you full freedom of movement. This allows you to use it just about anywhere and under a variety of circumstances, except those noted under the contraindications. You can do it at home while watching TV or at the office while doing your paperwork. Though of course you might not care to go out jogging with it on, but then again you might. But CES is more than an aside. It is also a reminder of the need to create inner quiet and reroute your mental traffic. You don't want to contribute to it further by treating CES as yet one more thing to do, squeezed in between other frenetic events in your life. Though you need not interrupt your usual activity for CES, its results are generally enhanced by setting aside a special time for its use alone.

Q. How safe is CES?

A. CES has an unblemished safety record. For a more detailed analysis of that record see "safety" under the research section.

Cranial electrotherapy stimulators are generally limited to less than one milliampere (mA) of current. The Alpha-Stim 100 is an example of a CES device that employs very low intensity electrical current pulses (up to 600 microamperes). To put this into perspective, it takes one-half of an ampere to light an ordinary 60 watt light bulb. To truly compare the work done per second by these two different currents, we must multiply the currents by the respective voltages that drive them. The product current x voltage is a measure of the rate of generation of energy, and is referred to as the power output. By definition, when a device outputs 1 ampere of current with a 1 volt driving force, the power output of the device is 1 watt. Therefore for the Alpha-Stim 100, the maximum output is (600/1,000,000)amperes x 9 volts = 0.0054 watts, or about 11,000 times less power than the light bulb. Many people do not even feel this amount of current.

This is current amplitude similar to that in the human body. The sole source of the current is a nine volt battery. Because the current is alternating, it sends bipolar current between the electrodes instead of unidirectionally, as would be the case with direct current. Hence there is a net cellular polarization of zero to the user. This is a safety factor of major importance.

The Alpha-Stim in particular uses a very broad band of frequencies collectively known as harmonic resonance. This insures that the right frequency will be delivered to reestablish homeostasis within the bioelectrical system. The other frequencies pass harmlessly.

Q. Is CES discomforting?

A. CES is not to be confused with either ECT (electroconvulsive therapy) which uses a much greater amount of electricity to induce traumatic shock, or aversion therapy both of which are based on discomfort. With CES you should experience no discomfort whatsoever. The most that will ever be felt is a mild tingling sensation. If at any time the sensation proves too strong, the amplitude should immediately be reduced by a simple turnoff the knob or twist of the dial.

Research shows CES to operate effectively at both lower and higher levels of stimulation as well as below the sensate threshold. accordingly, the patients may turn the amplitude to the point of sensation; then turn it down slightly below that point leaving it there during the session. You may also increase or decrease the amplitude at will without impairing the efficacy of the treatment. Your own comfort always dictates the setting of the treatment.

Q. What is the relationship between CES and nutrition?

A. There is a synergistic relationship between nutrients and CES. Think of the brain as a car battery, some cells of which may not be fully functioning. To achieve that end one needs both water and the trickle charge--This is analogous to the brain, amino acids and the CES. The brain uses amino acids as the raw materials, the building blocks or precursors with which to build its neurotransmitters. It is necessary for these amino acids to be present in the bloodstream in adequate amounts for the maximum impact/benefit of CES to be realized. These precursors, if present will be taken up and synthesized into neurohormones much more effectively when CES is added. These neurotransmitter precursor amino acids can be taken orally as food supplements.

To experience an even more dramatic impact of CES, it should be done in conjunction with amino acid supplements, especially in those areas in which one is deficient. Ideally, you might first test to determine the nature of the neurotransmitter deficiency and then develop a regimen supplementing your diet with specific amino acids known to be precursors to them.

Q. Are there any contraindications?

A. There are no known contraindications for use of CES. However, there are circumstances in which its safety has not been tested. Accordingly, CES should not be used without on-going clinical supervision by severe depressives and those known to be epileptic, pregnant, or those using implanted electronic devices such as cardiac pacemakers or insulin pumps.

There have, however, been instances where under such supervision CES has been employed successfully and where CES has been shown to reduce both the frequency and severity of seizures.

Because of the feeling of induced relaxation that results while using CES, though, this relaxation response does not in any way impair reaction time, it is recommended that CES not be used while operating dangerous or complex equipment or while driving.

CES treatment may result indirectly in increased blood flow to the brain. Hence its possible contraindication in recent hemorrhagic stroke patients. This same effect can cause brief increased blood flow beneath the electrodes behind the ears. This redness should not be cause for concern. This is an extremely rare occurrence. It is not a burn response and will go away shortly after the CES treatment is finished if it occurs at all.

Perhaps three persons out of one hundred report a slight headache when using CES. This is usually alleviated by simply turning the current down. If the headache should recur during ordinary use, cease using the unit and consult with your health care professional.

As with the use of any medical device, the physician/licensed practitioner should be informed of any medication or neurotransmitter blockers the patient is taking as well as the employment of cardiac pacemakers or other electronic devices as mentioned above.

Q. What research is there as to the safety and effectiveness of CES?

A. There are approximately 1,000 articles on CES therapy many of which are listed in four reviews put out by the Foreign Service Bulletin of the United States Library of Congress. This is in addition to the wealth of physiological and bio-engineering data on electrosleep and electroanesthesia in animals. As of this writing there are more than 100 research studies on CES in humans and 18 experimental animal studies. The efficacy of CES has been clinically confirmed through the use of 28 different psychometric tests. The significance of CES research for treating anxiety has also been reconfirmed through meta-analyses conducted at the University of Tulsa and at the Department of Health Policy and Management , Harvard University School of Public Health. The full body of research can be accessed at this website.

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Sounds like an euphimistic (sp?) name for ECT ak electroshock treatment.
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Originally Posted by karmabella
my brain is fried enough. i don't need any help. thanks though.
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And I'm sufficiently leary of pharmacuticals too...
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Originally Posted by BSPGirl
Sounds like an euphimistic (sp?) name for ECT ak electroshock treatment.
LOL, ECT, which I am pretty sure is outlawed now, is basically brain damage and frying your brain. CES is just very mild electrical stimulation to your neck area for relaxation effects. The two are very different But I can see how the mix up would be made, when I first started researching into this, this is what I though of too.
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Originally Posted by historyteach

And I'm sufficiently leary of pharmacuticals too...
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Well, I can't argue you much there. You have a very decent point, true change can possibly only come from within. So maybe all products and things we buy can't help us. But, I was in a point that is pretty low, and then I was willing to try some drastic measures.

I make a decent dollar, and am looking for some (drastic change in my life for the better), so I like to try certain things, I don't consider $172 a waste of money at all, I do enough research beforehand, that when it comes to the point of buying something, im pretty well informated about what it does ext ... so even if it as no effects on me and doesn't do anything, at least i can 'check' that out for my book of things that can possibly help me.

I respect your view of CES and pharmaceuticals. But what about:
chiropractic
acupuncture
chinese medicine/herbs
meditation

which if any of these hold weight in your book? Or are you more of a 12 step person? Religious? Maybe you can give a reccomendation as to your favorite treatment method or beliefs. You probably already have, I just can't really scour the forums right now tracking your old posts I konw a lot of the bad part about forums is repeat information

OK, well so far i am happy with my CES device, but its new, so i might be in my 'honeymoon' phase ;p
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Chiropractise?

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Chiropractise?

Somebody hold me back....
lol, i take that as a "no" :_)
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Others their opinion is basically unimportant when something helps for you...
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Sounds very interesting, sorta like a TENS unit, used post op to control pain.
Yes, Christian... ECT is still used...mostly for severe cases of depression, unresponsive to traditional pharmaceutical therapy. My mom's husband had it done and it helped him.
Considering the fact that I spend about $150 a month on my RX meds for migrane prevention and depression, I'd be willing to invest $172 bucks...
May have to discuss this with my Docs.
For so long I self medicated.....
and spent that much probably on a weekly basis to get high.
I just may have to check that out.
Thanks to Golf who posted all that info...very interesting stuff!
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