Yes, it can kill you
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Yes, it can kill you
I went to an AA meeting last week, and my home group was told that a member had died. He relapsed, and called his sponsor. His sponsor told him to pour everything down the drain, and just not pick up.
He did that, and died from what they believe was a stroke during withdrawal. He didn't have the means or help to get to detox. His sponsor was out of state.
Friends, I understand and support when we tell people, "Just stop. Dump it out." But it comes with risks, and we need to be aware of that. I don't know the right answer or right approach, and I am sure someone can offer something here.
I guess my point is that we need to be careful with this advice given certain circumstances.
He did that, and died from what they believe was a stroke during withdrawal. He didn't have the means or help to get to detox. His sponsor was out of state.
Friends, I understand and support when we tell people, "Just stop. Dump it out." But it comes with risks, and we need to be aware of that. I don't know the right answer or right approach, and I am sure someone can offer something here.
I guess my point is that we need to be careful with this advice given certain circumstances.
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So sorry to hear this. I myself suffered withdrawal seizures when I attempted quitting. It came out of the blue and I had absolutely no idea why they happened. Only after my 2nd seizure did I realize that they had been caused by alcohol withdrawal. Most alcoholics who are physically addicted like I was (and like the one you describe from AA) are often completely incapable or unaware of the danger they are in. This is as good of a reminder as any: if you're getting the morning shakes, DTs, tremors, or drinking heavily - please see a doctor and keep all detox options on the table.
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Originally Posted by soberwolf 
Of course but i always see ppl on SR saying to ER or ring a Dr that go with dumping it out
Again,I don't know the right answer, and I am heartsick about this loss. I wish the sponsor had driven back, and helped this man get medical support. He wanted sobriety desperately.
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Originally Posted by hopeful4
I guess I have a different opinion here. If he could pick up the phone to call his sponsor, why not call 911 and summons an ambulance??
What a shame, I am very sorry for your loss.
What a shame, I am very sorry for your loss.
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Yes, I can completely understand that. I think that's why unless you are a medical doctor it's best to tell someone if they are worried or have been drinking heavily and are at risk to seek medical help. That's why we don't give advise on this board for medical issues, they should adopt the same at AA.
Truly, I am so sorry for your loss. Addiction robs way too many.
Truly, I am so sorry for your loss. Addiction robs way too many.
Originally Posted by Change4good
Perhaps pride and ignorance about withdrawal. I can't presume to know what happened. It just scared the hell out of me.
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Very sorry for your loss!!
Obviously it depends on the person, if someone is new to SR after years of drinking or in a bad way coming off a 3 week binge that person would be best seeking medical treatment.
However the person who has relapsed for the 4th time with weeks in between of Sobriety, an early night and some fluids/food, whilst pouring the rest out, will steady the ship.
Very sad nonetheless, a reminder that alcohol is a serious business!!
Obviously it depends on the person, if someone is new to SR after years of drinking or in a bad way coming off a 3 week binge that person would be best seeking medical treatment.
However the person who has relapsed for the 4th time with weeks in between of Sobriety, an early night and some fluids/food, whilst pouring the rest out, will steady the ship.
Very sad nonetheless, a reminder that alcohol is a serious business!!
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This is a very tragic story that should've never happened. Personally, I would never recommend someone detoxing on their own.
With each relapse, w/d's tend to be worse. I medically detoxed this last time around (#3 detox) and I went through hell. The third day, my limbs were shaking uncontrollably, BP skyrocketed to high levels and I was pumped up with Serax. The first detox I did in 15 years ago was an absolute piece of cake to my last detox.
I echo Purplenight - alcohol is no joke!!
With each relapse, w/d's tend to be worse. I medically detoxed this last time around (#3 detox) and I went through hell. The third day, my limbs were shaking uncontrollably, BP skyrocketed to high levels and I was pumped up with Serax. The first detox I did in 15 years ago was an absolute piece of cake to my last detox.
I echo Purplenight - alcohol is no joke!!
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I think we also need to be mindful of telling people to "Just call 911." This can lead to a $1,000 ambulance bill and a $10,000 hospital bill, and may have life-changing consequences. Sometimes a quick search can find local, no-cost detox programs.
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Originally Posted by Coldfusion
I think we also need to be mindful of telling people to "Just call 911." This can lead to a $1,000 ambulance bill and a $10,000 hospital bill, and may have life-changing consequences. Sometimes a quick search can find local, no-cost detox programs.
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I am sorry for your loss. I know how is feels to lose a fellow AA member because they have gone back out.
I would think calling 911 constitutes an emergency and that a life or death situation is at hand. The medical bill would not be a consideration at that time, at least not for me. I don't want to die thinking at least I won't have a doctor bill.
It is sad that people die from alcoholism. I had two people close to me die before I got sober and several that I knew in the rooms of AA , it is always heartbreaking. The last one I knew that died had done so much damage in his short life that he fell over dead in a snow pile at the age of 26, he was four months sober.
I am not sure how long the person you refer to had been drinking or how much they drank. It is hard for a sponsor to know this. I drank a half gallon of whiskey every two days yet had very mild withdrawal compared to some that drank less then me and less often than me.
There is no way to know what their body can handle and that is why medical detox is suggested. Not only can they supply the drugs to make the process easier physically and mentally, there are people on hand in case of an emergency.
I don't see the sponsor to blame here. As cold as it may sound, the only person to blame for this type of death is the alcoholic.
So many think they can go another round and come back. Some sadly never make it back.
Originally Posted by Coldfusion
I think we also need to be mindful of telling people to "Just call 911." This can lead to a $1,000 ambulance bill and a $10,000 hospital bill, and may have life-changing consequences. Sometimes a quick search can find local, no-cost detox programs.
It is sad that people die from alcoholism. I had two people close to me die before I got sober and several that I knew in the rooms of AA , it is always heartbreaking. The last one I knew that died had done so much damage in his short life that he fell over dead in a snow pile at the age of 26, he was four months sober.
I am not sure how long the person you refer to had been drinking or how much they drank. It is hard for a sponsor to know this. I drank a half gallon of whiskey every two days yet had very mild withdrawal compared to some that drank less then me and less often than me.
There is no way to know what their body can handle and that is why medical detox is suggested. Not only can they supply the drugs to make the process easier physically and mentally, there are people on hand in case of an emergency.
I don't see the sponsor to blame here. As cold as it may sound, the only person to blame for this type of death is the alcoholic.
So many think they can go another round and come back. Some sadly never make it back.
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I'm sorry for your friend Change. I've lost people too.
Which is why I agree with Gracie - I'd rather be poor than dead.
Most of you know I had mini strokes. I was lucky - but if I'd sought medical intervention sooner I might not have the number of health problems I do today.
There are many of us here who are mindful of the dangers of detox. I think by and large we're responsible with our posts and our advice here. We even have a rule for it
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Which is why I agree with Gracie - I'd rather be poor than dead.
Most of you know I had mini strokes. I was lucky - but if I'd sought medical intervention sooner I might not have the number of health problems I do today.
There are many of us here who are mindful of the dangers of detox. I think by and large we're responsible with our posts and our advice here. We even have a rule for it
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