Concerned that this forum is enabling
Looks like I made it to the end. I skipped some of your posts as it started to get repetitive.
I'm using this phone so forgi ve me.
mr tokyo. You have contradicted yourself numerous ntimes. Im not ure exactly what you are trying to accomplish. (Insert here things Dee would have to delete).
You "can't go to rehab" or take the necessary steps to "correct" the situation. Assuming your situation needs to be corrected.
Well my friend. Good luck in the new job. And since your financial situation is not dependent on this job it won't nreally matter when they letnyou go because you couldn't control your drinking. Just because you are master of the universe today doesn't mean your star ship has impervious shields.
I'm using this phone so forgi ve me.
mr tokyo. You have contradicted yourself numerous ntimes. Im not ure exactly what you are trying to accomplish. (Insert here things Dee would have to delete).
You "can't go to rehab" or take the necessary steps to "correct" the situation. Assuming your situation needs to be corrected.
Well my friend. Good luck in the new job. And since your financial situation is not dependent on this job it won't nreally matter when they letnyou go because you couldn't control your drinking. Just because you are master of the universe today doesn't mean your star ship has impervious shields.
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When I was in jail for 2 months for my last DWI I met a young man of 19, we became friends and worked together in jail . He told me he was going to college and told me his story, DWI at 16 - probation violation for POT - 30 days jail. Told me he probably lost his job , so I told him to stop by my shop , maybe I could teach him something. His father brought him and I found out most of what he had told me was lies! I wasn't surprised, just diappointed! His father sat there telling us how he gets abusive and violent when he drinks and smokes, to the physical assault on him and his wife. The kid laughing all the time saying he can do what he wants. Found out he never finished HS or got a GED, so he wasn't going to college , he was just going to drink and smoke weed. He left with his father and called me a few days later and after some silly nasty texts from him , I told him not to bother to call me till he woke up and got some respect for himself, his parents and for me and my SO, (she wanted to beat him up the way he talked to his dad), I had to cut him loose for my sanity! I told his father he would be on the park bench around the corner from his house till he got RESPECT! Sorry if this is off topic but I needed to rant! Stay Strong And Well ! Bobby
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Definition of an enabler is:
A person or thing that makes something possible.
So if someone wanted to quit drinking, after being unable to control or eliminate drinking by the self, how could I enable them to fail?
1. Tell them everything will be fine and they can do this by themselves
2. Give them advice in how to quit drinking when I have no idea of how I quit drinking myself.
3. Give a false impression of how my way to quit drinking is working for me when really there is nothing I would prefer to do but get away with having one drink.
I am sure there are many other examples.
How can I help a person to quit drinking?
Quit drinking myself and then share my story of how I did it using a detailed and structured methodology so they can copy what I did with ease and achieve the same result. Unfortunately this is high on impossible to do without being face to face so if you want to find out how to quit drinking find someone who has the sobriety you want and ask them how they did it. You will find many such people in AA:-)
My story is that, in hindsight, I used SR as an enabler for a bit but kept coming back and there were enough people on here to give me some tough love to ensure that I didn't keep coming back every few weeks to post how id drunk again yo be told it will all be ok just try again for the 1000th time...1001s a charm lol
A person or thing that makes something possible.
So if someone wanted to quit drinking, after being unable to control or eliminate drinking by the self, how could I enable them to fail?
1. Tell them everything will be fine and they can do this by themselves
2. Give them advice in how to quit drinking when I have no idea of how I quit drinking myself.
3. Give a false impression of how my way to quit drinking is working for me when really there is nothing I would prefer to do but get away with having one drink.
I am sure there are many other examples.
How can I help a person to quit drinking?
Quit drinking myself and then share my story of how I did it using a detailed and structured methodology so they can copy what I did with ease and achieve the same result. Unfortunately this is high on impossible to do without being face to face so if you want to find out how to quit drinking find someone who has the sobriety you want and ask them how they did it. You will find many such people in AA:-)
My story is that, in hindsight, I used SR as an enabler for a bit but kept coming back and there were enough people on here to give me some tough love to ensure that I didn't keep coming back every few weeks to post how id drunk again yo be told it will all be ok just try again for the 1000th time...1001s a charm lol
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Again, thank you all for your support and advice.
I am currently on 3 mg Clonazepam and about 500 ML whiskey. I feel comfortable.
I am not trying to glorify my substance use. I hate it. I truly, truly hate it. I want to heal. Thank you for being here for me. Someday, I wlll recover.
I am currently on 3 mg Clonazepam and about 500 ML whiskey. I feel comfortable.
I am not trying to glorify my substance use. I hate it. I truly, truly hate it. I want to heal. Thank you for being here for me. Someday, I wlll recover.
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I feel comfortable.
But I reiterate - you came here for some reason...and although you've spent a goodly amount of time here running away from that, that reason still stands.
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I hope you're able to find peace and sobriety. It's definitely worth it!
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Comparing myself to other people is no use. I can relate, but our individual pain is very different. That is the nature of psychological pain. It is almost impossible to empathize with another's psychological pain. We each live, in our minds, in our own separate infernos.
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btw I did not know there was a three hours difference between Tokyo and Seattle. Your post is stamped 9pm my time.which should be midnight on the East Coast ....
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Recovery and sobriety are about purposeful intention and committed action inside the understanding of human frailty. Sobriety and recovery are difficult and require a plan. The plans have to be flexible as your situation changes on the journey. Taking your posts at face value, right now your plan is future based promises, stated desire and posting on SR. It's going to take more than that to achieve sobriety.
A good way to start a plan is with the statement, "Starting right now this is what I'm doing to achieve / maintain sobriety" and then putting the plan into action. This is where SR can offer you support by helping you put together the plan and then holding you accountable as you work the plan. All you have to do is reach out and ask for the help.
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Definition of an enabler is:
A person or thing that makes something possible.
So if someone wanted to quit drinking, after being unable to control or eliminate drinking by the self, how could I enable them to fail?
1. Tell them everything will be fine and they can do this by themselves
2. Give them advice in how to quit drinking when I have no idea of how I quit drinking myself.
3. Give a false impression of how my way to quit drinking is working for me when really there is nothing I would prefer to do but get away with having one drink.
I am sure there are many other examples.
How can I help a person to quit drinking?
Quit drinking myself and then share my story of how I did it using a detailed and structured methodology so they can copy what I did with ease and achieve the same result. Unfortunately this is high on impossible to do without being face to face so if you want to find out how to quit drinking find someone who has the sobriety you want and ask them how they did it. You will find many such people in AA:-)
My story is that, in hindsight, I used SR as an enabler for a bit but kept coming back and there were enough people on here to give me some tough love to ensure that I didn't keep coming back every few weeks to post how id drunk again yo be told it will all be ok just try again for the 1000th time...1001s a charm lol
A person or thing that makes something possible.
So if someone wanted to quit drinking, after being unable to control or eliminate drinking by the self, how could I enable them to fail?
1. Tell them everything will be fine and they can do this by themselves
2. Give them advice in how to quit drinking when I have no idea of how I quit drinking myself.
3. Give a false impression of how my way to quit drinking is working for me when really there is nothing I would prefer to do but get away with having one drink.
I am sure there are many other examples.
How can I help a person to quit drinking?
Quit drinking myself and then share my story of how I did it using a detailed and structured methodology so they can copy what I did with ease and achieve the same result. Unfortunately this is high on impossible to do without being face to face so if you want to find out how to quit drinking find someone who has the sobriety you want and ask them how they did it. You will find many such people in AA:-)
My story is that, in hindsight, I used SR as an enabler for a bit but kept coming back and there were enough people on here to give me some tough love to ensure that I didn't keep coming back every few weeks to post how id drunk again yo be told it will all be ok just try again for the 1000th time...1001s a charm lol
oh I wish whoever sold the idea of an "enabler" was enabled to keep his mouth shut before he did it.
i mean in psychology
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Kabukicho, keep saying to yourself that you will get sober. Things can only progress to bad and possibly to worse if you don't, but until you get there, you may not believe me.
You can stay stopped and you can recover!!! (that post came up as midnight on my site, and I am east coast)
You can stay stopped and you can recover!!! (that post came up as midnight on my site, and I am east coast)
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Xanax is - or seems - a great way to "beat the system". You (think you) can really stop your hangovers in its tracks, feel half normal until you start drinking again later in the day. This can work for quit a long time. And hey, you are not a "true alcoholic", as you don't drink during the day, right?! (ahem...)
The problem is that at one point - a point that will come - you start withdrawing from the benzos while you are drinking and withdrawing from the alcohol when you take the xanax in the morning.
Then you start doing both at the same time, creating a double dose of insanity. Next, both stop working and you fall off a cliff. That's when the horror really comes, and trust me, it is not something you would wish on your worst enemy. (so far for me enabling you)
Kabukichō, I think you somehow feel you are pretty close to that cliff. Am I right? Just know that there are people who have been where you are, and have been able to leave the madness and horror behind. And although we can never truly know what someone else feels, I'm pretty sure I can make an educated guess in your case.
The problem is that at one point - a point that will come - you start withdrawing from the benzos while you are drinking and withdrawing from the alcohol when you take the xanax in the morning.
Then you start doing both at the same time, creating a double dose of insanity. Next, both stop working and you fall off a cliff. That's when the horror really comes, and trust me, it is not something you would wish on your worst enemy. (so far for me enabling you)
Kabukichō, I think you somehow feel you are pretty close to that cliff. Am I right? Just know that there are people who have been where you are, and have been able to leave the madness and horror behind. And although we can never truly know what someone else feels, I'm pretty sure I can make an educated guess in your case.
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I am currently in Boston on vacation. I also don't think I registered properly in regard to the time-stamps. Hence the discrepancies.
I don't think I'm going to get sober anytime soon.
I have too many stressful things going on in my life.
I don't think I'm going to get sober anytime soon.
I have too many stressful things going on in my life.
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