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Originally Posted by SHawk25 
Real quick. Answer this.. Why would a non alcoholic abstain for the rest of his life? What's the point to that?
Saving money.
Preserving their health. Alcohol is poison you know, just taken in small (or maybe not so small) doses.
Setting a good example to their children.
Knowing that their choices are based on a totally sound mind.
Never having to worry about drinking too much.
Never having to worry about a DUI.
Never having to nurse a hangover ever again.
Never having to worry about becoming an alcoholic down the road...
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Originally Posted by SHawk25
Real quick. Answer this.. Why would a non alcoholic abstain for the rest of his life? What's the point to that?
About 90% of them would never ask that question.
Close to 100% of them wouldn't have shown up on a recovery website seeking support.
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Originally Posted by SHawk25
I didn't place any seeds in anyone here. We all know that none of us are the same. All have different issues.. My issues were being careless in life, NOT cause I'm an alcoholic. Alcoholics know they can't drink, nothing I'm saying about myself is going to sway them.. We are all individuals here.
And then I remembered who is the addict and who is sure he is not..
-I- know I am an addict. One is too many and a thousand is never enough for me. I cannot control my crack consumption. Once I get started, there is no ending it. I will spend until the bank is in the negative. Sell things to get money for crack. Steal for it. And, if I go on long enough, I am sure I would sell myself for it.
Don't see any of that happening to you? Well, good. I really hope you have come to the right conclusion. I support your decision.
Just don't try crack, OK?? It's wicked bad. I know I can have a beer every now and again, but swore everything off until I've got a year of no crack use under my belt. And then, if I feel like it, I'll have a beer with my wings at the local wing joint. If I don't, no sweating that either.
I swore everything off because my Sponsor suggested it. She felt that my substituting was leading me back full circle to using crack again. I think she was right. I've not touched any of the other things, and sure enough, I haven't touched the crack either. Wow.. Hate it when other people are right and I am wrong. LOLOLOL
Shawk, best of luck to you. I hope you do stop by once in a while and say Hi, if everything works out. If it doesn't, I know I'll be here for you too. No I told you so's, no judgment...None of that. Just a big welcome back. :ghug3
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Originally Posted by getr345
I can think of a number of reasons but I'll just list a few...
Saving money.
Preserving their health. Alcohol is poison you know, just taken in small (or maybe not so small) doses.
Setting a good example to their children.
Knowing that their choices are based on a totally sound mind.
Never having to worry about drinking too much.
Never having to worry about a DUI.
Never having to nurse a hangover ever again.
Never having to worry about becoming an alcoholic down the road...
Saving money.
Preserving their health. Alcohol is poison you know, just taken in small (or maybe not so small) doses.
Setting a good example to their children.
Knowing that their choices are based on a totally sound mind.
Never having to worry about drinking too much.
Never having to worry about a DUI.
Never having to nurse a hangover ever again.
Never having to worry about becoming an alcoholic down the road...
2. Small amount of alcohol isn't unhealthy, science proves otherwise..
3. Adults are allowed to drink..
4. A couple of beers aren't going to "unsound" your mind.
5. Not going to drink to much..
6. Can't get a DUI after a beer or two..
7. Don't get hangovers after a beer or two..
8. I don't believe you "become" an alcoholic.. You either are one or not..
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Originally Posted by SHawk25
If that was actually the case.. All YOU had to do was IGNORE the thread.. YOU are CHOOSING to keep posting..
What I am trying to do is offer you guidance and assistance that you clearly need EVEN THOUGH you are putting up a good front and acting like you don't want it or need it. The easy thing for me would be to ignore you or dismiss you, the hard thing to do is to continue to try to help you, which is what I am trying to do. I feel that someday you will thank me for it when you have a better understanding. Or maybe not, either way I stand behind what I'm trying to tell you and HOW I'm trying to tell it to you.
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Originally Posted by getr345
As are you, even though you keep saying you're done possting, kinda like the drinking thing...
What I am trying to do is offer you guidance and assistance that you clearly need EVEN THOUGH you are putting up a good front and acting like you don't want it or need it. The easy thing for me would be to ignore you or dismiss you, the hard thing to do is to continue to try to help you, which is what I am trying to do. I feel that someday you will thank me for it when you have a better understanding. Or maybe not, either way I stand behind what I'm trying to tell you and HOW I'm trying to tell it to you.
What I am trying to do is offer you guidance and assistance that you clearly need EVEN THOUGH you are putting up a good front and acting like you don't want it or need it. The easy thing for me would be to ignore you or dismiss you, the hard thing to do is to continue to try to help you, which is what I am trying to do. I feel that someday you will thank me for it when you have a better understanding. Or maybe not, either way I stand behind what I'm trying to tell you and HOW I'm trying to tell it to you.
I tell you what, with 100% honesty.. IF a first screw up comes I will come straight to you for guidance.. As for you knew it was coming.. And I will be all ears with everything you would like help me with..
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Originally Posted by SHawk25
1. A couple of beers not expensive..
2. Small amount of alcohol isn't unhealthy, science proves otherwise..
3. Adults are allowed to drink..
4. A couple of beers aren't going to "unsound" your mind.
5. Not going to drink to much..
6. Can't get a DUI after a beer or two..
7. Don't get hangovers after a beer or two..
8. I don't believe you "become" an alcoholic.. You either are one or not..
2. Small amount of alcohol isn't unhealthy, science proves otherwise..
3. Adults are allowed to drink..
4. A couple of beers aren't going to "unsound" your mind.
5. Not going to drink to much..
6. Can't get a DUI after a beer or two..
7. Don't get hangovers after a beer or two..
8. I don't believe you "become" an alcoholic.. You either are one or not..
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Actually I believe you can become anything you want and sometimes things you don't want to be. I've seen so much over my life. Done so much. I became a factory worker, wife, and drag racer, divorcee, and crackhead.. All at different periods in my life. When I first started smoking crack, I just thought it was something neat and different to do. I remember thinking the high didn't last that long, for the price of money, and cocaine was better. I'd smoke a 20 or 40 every other weekend, with the guy I was seeing, for a while. Only a few months. After his surgery is when I got the first big rock (over 100 bucks). He smoked it all. I was like, WHOA... Could I possibly try that? Well, I ended up getting cocaine and OD'ing on it because I snorted 2 8 balls within a few hours.. After I get out of the hospital I think that crack might be the better drug and keep smoking. And smoking. I knew, deep down, that I had switched from casual use to addict when I started exhibiting behaviors similar to my ex's...
But really, Shawk, do you really feel you need to defend yourself or are things not as they seem, as you present them. We're a bunch of strangers too. And nuts at that... We're addicts. You owe us nothing, so it's probably better that you not even bother with arguing with people over two totally different sides where neither side will change their minds. Ya know?
Do your own thing. You're going to no matter what we say. It's that control thing. We can't control you. You can't control us.
Peace. Love. Joy. The best to you. Really. But please, stop the madness of arguing a point where no one will be able to change anyone's minds.
I know I can't make you stop, but I am asking nicely. I am asking you and everyone else to stop. I really dislike seeing everyone up in arms. Especially when we're in recovery....
God grant me the Serenity to accept the things I cannot change.
The courage to change the things I can.
And the WISDOM to know the difference.
Just for Today.
But really, Shawk, do you really feel you need to defend yourself or are things not as they seem, as you present them. We're a bunch of strangers too. And nuts at that... We're addicts. You owe us nothing, so it's probably better that you not even bother with arguing with people over two totally different sides where neither side will change their minds. Ya know?
Do your own thing. You're going to no matter what we say. It's that control thing. We can't control you. You can't control us.
Peace. Love. Joy. The best to you. Really. But please, stop the madness of arguing a point where no one will be able to change anyone's minds.
I know I can't make you stop, but I am asking nicely. I am asking you and everyone else to stop. I really dislike seeing everyone up in arms. Especially when we're in recovery....
God grant me the Serenity to accept the things I cannot change.
The courage to change the things I can.
And the WISDOM to know the difference.
Just for Today.
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Originally Posted by CrackQuack
Actually I believe you can become anything you want and sometimes things you don't want to be. I've seen so much over my life. Done so much. I became a factory worker, wife, and drag racer, divorcee, and crackhead.. All at different periods in my life. When I first started smoking crack, I just thought it was something neat and different to do. I remember thinking the high didn't last that long, for the price of money, and cocaine was better. I'd smoke a 20 or 40 every other weekend, with the guy I was seeing, for a while. Only a few months. After his surgery is when I got the first big rock (over 100 bucks). He smoked it all. I was like, WHOA... Could I possibly try that? Well, I ended up getting cocaine and OD'ing on it because I snorted 2 8 balls within a few hours.. After I get out of the hospital I think that crack might be the better drug and keep smoking. And smoking. I knew, deep down, that I had switched from casual use to addict when I started exhibiting behaviors similar to my ex's...
But really, Shawk, do you really feel you need to defend yourself or are things not as they seem, as you present them. We're a bunch of strangers too. And nuts at that... We're addicts. You owe us nothing, so it's probably better that you not even bother with arguing with people over two totally different sides where neither side will change their minds. Ya know?
Do your own thing. You're going to no matter what we say. It's that control thing. We can't control you. You can't control us.
Peace. Love. Joy. The best to you. Really. But please, stop the madness of arguing a point where no one will be able to change anyone's minds.
I know I can't make you stop, but I am asking nicely. I am asking you and everyone else to stop. I really dislike seeing everyone up in arms. Especially when we're in recovery....
God grant me the Serenity to accept the things I cannot change.
The courage to change the things I can.
And the WISDOM to know the difference.
Just for Today.
But really, Shawk, do you really feel you need to defend yourself or are things not as they seem, as you present them. We're a bunch of strangers too. And nuts at that... We're addicts. You owe us nothing, so it's probably better that you not even bother with arguing with people over two totally different sides where neither side will change their minds. Ya know?
Do your own thing. You're going to no matter what we say. It's that control thing. We can't control you. You can't control us.
Peace. Love. Joy. The best to you. Really. But please, stop the madness of arguing a point where no one will be able to change anyone's minds.
I know I can't make you stop, but I am asking nicely. I am asking you and everyone else to stop. I really dislike seeing everyone up in arms. Especially when we're in recovery....
God grant me the Serenity to accept the things I cannot change.
The courage to change the things I can.
And the WISDOM to know the difference.
Just for Today.
Yes I will stop.. Thank you.. Take care..
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Disturbing and completely insulting that this is entertainment for your boredom. A lot of us (myself included) that spent a lot of time supporting your desperate request for help and support probably didn’t just hang out and appease you out of boredom. Your bizarre disdain for the term (and the group) ‘alcoholic’, and definition of such is totally getting in the way of anything anyone is even saying here. Enjoy your drinks, maybe find something new to do when you’re bored at work, because people are on here that truly care for the well being of others and put every ounce of what they can to help, support, and be here for the people that appreciate it. “Alcoholics” aren’t the only people with drinking problems. “Alcoholics” aren’t the only people that “relapse” or continue to drink when it can cause a problem/has caused a problem/will cause a problem. Cheers.
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Originally Posted by SHawk25
So everyone that had busted relationships or are at an unhappy time have a drinking problem?
I don't buy that..
I don't buy that..
People with drinking problems have drinking problems and you obviously and demonstrably had one, and continue to have one. You made the point that I'm a stranger and that's true but all that I know about you I learned because YOU told me here on this forum. Let me ask you SHawk, have you had your first "occasional" drink yet since making this decsion, or are you still running your sober time? I'm curious if this is something just being discussed or something that has already happened.
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Originally Posted by SHawk25
See, now I like that post.. You are completely free to have your own opinion. I like how this is stated without trying to mark me as a failure.. You have your beliefs, I respect that..
I tell you what, with 100% honesty.. IF a first screw up comes I will come straight to you for guidance.. As for you knew it was coming.. And I will be all ears with everything you would like help me with..
I tell you what, with 100% honesty.. IF a first screw up comes I will come straight to you for guidance.. As for you knew it was coming.. And I will be all ears with everything you would like help me with..
The FIRST screw up is drinking when you have absolutely no good reason to do so, after trying to quit unsuccessfully, after seeing the negative effects on your life, after promising yourself and your girl that you were done, and after rationalizing your way back into drinking under the guise of trying to control it.
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Originally Posted by Cubile75
Take a step back and remember the group of people you are talking to... alcoholics and addicts, people, like myself, who have suffered defeat from alcohol and drugs. Some who have lost all, some who could lose all, many who are still dealing with early sobriety and ambivalence over the first step, some who are still mourning the loss of something that, at one time, they liked.
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Originally Posted by getr345
Well, I'm not selling anything.
People with drinking problems have drinking problems and you obviously and demonstrably had one, and continue to have one. You made the point that I'm a stranger and that's true but all that I know about you I learned because YOU told me here on this forum. Let me ask you SHawk, have you had your first "occasional" drink yet since making this decsion, or are you still running your sober time? I'm curious if this is something just being discussed or something that has already happened.
People with drinking problems have drinking problems and you obviously and demonstrably had one, and continue to have one. You made the point that I'm a stranger and that's true but all that I know about you I learned because YOU told me here on this forum. Let me ask you SHawk, have you had your first "occasional" drink yet since making this decsion, or are you still running your sober time? I'm curious if this is something just being discussed or something that has already happened.
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