Was tired of counting the days
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Doug - my post did not come through - computer probs. I looked at your past posts - as of 11/17/13 you were posting about how you had 16 weeks and striving for another 36. Perhaps its helpful to look at what transpired in the past 3 days - what was different. BC it would appear something changed.
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There is a similar thread in Newcomers section
I am not sure counting is the issue here, just as in the attached thread. Drinking bc the counting is making someone anxious is not a great excuse and probably an illusion of something else - only that person can answer that.
As concluded in the other post - counting, not counting it does not matter if that is all that is going on. Often someone refusing to count is needing to be "different", unique, better. These are often manifestations of the core alcoholic/addict issues that are arising. If not noticed it can trip us up.
Another poster highlight that there is a natural migration (in AA) away from counting daily for 30, 60, 90, monthly 4, 5, 6, 3 months 9, 12, six months, annual, 5 yrs, 10 yrs.
http://www.soberrecovery.com/forums/...r-relapse.html
I am not sure counting is the issue here, just as in the attached thread. Drinking bc the counting is making someone anxious is not a great excuse and probably an illusion of something else - only that person can answer that.
As concluded in the other post - counting, not counting it does not matter if that is all that is going on. Often someone refusing to count is needing to be "different", unique, better. These are often manifestations of the core alcoholic/addict issues that are arising. If not noticed it can trip us up.
Another poster highlight that there is a natural migration (in AA) away from counting daily for 30, 60, 90, monthly 4, 5, 6, 3 months 9, 12, six months, annual, 5 yrs, 10 yrs.
http://www.soberrecovery.com/forums/...r-relapse.html
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I'm not a counter even forgetting about it and having to add it up when someone asks.
In rehab they told us that those who are religious counters have a higher percentage of relapsing than those who don't count.
Don't know how true this is, but I'm glad you aren't going to count anymore.
In rehab they told us that those who are religious counters have a higher percentage of relapsing than those who don't count.
Don't know how true this is, but I'm glad you aren't going to count anymore.
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Originally Posted by Boiledrootbeer 
Why do you try to make this person believe that since he is are not operating the same way you would that he is delusional? I see this sort of thing constantly on this site, and it's one of my big problems with groups like AA. People some how allow themselves to be convinced that they have no control over themselves, that their decisions are some how made by an unforeseen force and that the only way to gain the upper hand on this force to sit in meetings surrounded by like minded people. They don't defeat addiction, they just trade the old one (alcohol) for the new one (AA). And then you form into groups the same way you did while alcoholics and you shun those who are not a part of your group.
I am done with this page. I have been coming here for years and I am tired of people trying to tell others what they are doing wrong instead of trying to show them for what they are doing right. Good bye.
I am done with this page. I have been coming here for years and I am tired of people trying to tell others what they are doing wrong instead of trying to show them for what they are doing right. Good bye.
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i would much rather have an addiction to having a multitude of friends and sitting for one hour listening to an uplifting story and learning how to be a better person than drinking addiction anyday.
I would gladly trade one addiction for another.
This one makes me happy (FINALLY)
I would gladly trade one addiction for another.
This one makes me happy (FINALLY)
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Originally Posted by LadyBlue0527
I think that we all know how dangerous this could be. However, I think that what Doug was trying to portray was that he found himself actually obsessing about how many days it had been since his last drink. He knew by taking a sip he could say "There, now that's over". It took away the obsession about the number of days. There is no plan to drink further.
We're all different. Some could get away with what Doug did for the reasons that he did it. Some know that would be the beginning of the end and another attempt to drink again. Only he will know what category he falls in.
I don't think that there's any right way or wrong way to get and remain sober as long as you're not hurting anyone.
We're all different. Some could get away with what Doug did for the reasons that he did it. Some know that would be the beginning of the end and another attempt to drink again. Only he will know what category he falls in.
I don't think that there's any right way or wrong way to get and remain sober as long as you're not hurting anyone.
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Originally Posted by Boiledrootbeer
Why do you try to make this person believe that since he is are not operating the same way you would that he is delusional? I see this sort of thing constantly on this site, and it's one of my big problems with groups like AA. People some how allow themselves to be convinced that they have no control over themselves, that their decisions are some how made by an unforeseen force and that the only way to gain the upper hand on this force to sit in meetings surrounded by like minded people. They don't defeat addiction, they just trade the old one (alcohol) for the new one (AA). And then you form into groups the same way you did while alcoholics and you shun those who are not a part of your group.
I am done with this page. I have been coming here for years and I am tired of people trying to tell others what they are doing wrong instead of trying to show them for what they are doing right. Good bye.
I am done with this page. I have been coming here for years and I am tired of people trying to tell others what they are doing wrong instead of trying to show them for what they are doing right. Good bye.
I will also say that after drinking that sip of beer 2 days ago I haven't had a desire to drink or plan to drink anytime soon.
I want sobriety.
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With all due respect to you and boiled it's not an AA issue Doug.
I'm not in AA, I was sharing my experience - I did what you did - i drank to relive the pressure....& within a month I was back at square one.
I sincerely hope your outcome is different to mine, but I stand by my point: only an alcoholic would look to alcohol to solve a problem.
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I'm not in AA, I was sharing my experience - I did what you did - i drank to relive the pressure....& within a month I was back at square one.
I sincerely hope your outcome is different to mine, but I stand by my point: only an alcoholic would look to alcohol to solve a problem.
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Originally Posted by Dee74
I sincerely hope your outcome is different to mine, but I stand by my point: only an alcoholic would look to alcohol to solve a problem.
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My sister-in-law (who goes to AA everyday) believes that anyone that drinks is an alcoholic. In her eyes if someone drinks one beer once a month they are an alcoholic.
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I've followed your posts and I chose the word alcoholic pointedly Doug.
I'm sure you know exactly what I meant - but if you want to split hairs that's your prerogative.
best of luck to you, man
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I'm sure you know exactly what I meant - but if you want to split hairs that's your prerogative.
best of luck to you, man
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Originally Posted by Doug39
And this is why I never liked AA.
I will also say that after drinking that sip of beer 2 days ago I haven't had a desire to drink or plan to drink anytime soon.
I want sobriety.
I will also say that after drinking that sip of beer 2 days ago I haven't had a desire to drink or plan to drink anytime soon.
I want sobriety.
I think honesty is key - these are questions only you can answer for yourself with maybe the help of others providing varying perspectives. You changed your perspective between 11/17 and 11/21 based on your posts. I am not looking for an answer but think about what changed.
As another person responded if this is truly working for you all the best - I doubt many want to see you fail - perhaps some are envious if you can go back to moderation only bc of the hardships some have had to endure to realize they can't. If you can or if taking sips allows you to keep sober - bit of oxymoron then all the best.
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Originally Posted by jdooner
If you can or if taking sips allows you to keep sober - bit of oxymoron then all the best.
Not really an oxymoron.
I believe that someone drinking one glass of wine with a meal once a week or someone having a beer with a friend after work on a Friday is a sober person.
I spent 25 years of my life being either buzzed, drunk, passed out, hungover or sick. That is being an alcoholic.
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Originally Posted by Doug39
I believe that someone drinking one glass of wine with a meal once a week or someone having a beer with a friend after work on a Friday is a sober person.
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Originally Posted by Doug39
I believe that someone drinking one glass of wine with a meal once a week or someone having a beer with a friend after work on a Friday is a sober.
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Originally Posted by Doug39
Not really an oxymoron.
I believe that someone drinking one glass of wine with a meal once a week or someone having a beer with a friend after work on a Friday is a sober person.
I spent 25 years of my life being either buzzed, drunk, passed out, hungover or sick. That is being an alcoholic.
I believe that someone drinking one glass of wine with a meal once a week or someone having a beer with a friend after work on a Friday is a sober person.
I spent 25 years of my life being either buzzed, drunk, passed out, hungover or sick. That is being an alcoholic.
Maybe share with some normal drinker.
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