And it was going so well
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Tolerance is a lot different to addiction in the pain management world.
Ask your consultant when you are there.
A lot of what we read about opioids is not medically correct.
I would explain your fears and concerns to your consultant and go with his/her advice.
But thats just me.
I trust doctors and I think the NHS is marvellous.
Ask your consultant when you are there.
A lot of what we read about opioids is not medically correct.
I would explain your fears and concerns to your consultant and go with his/her advice.
But thats just me.
I trust doctors and I think the NHS is marvellous.
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Originally Posted by DaveyT 
It is my first time and odd as it may sound I am really looking forard to it. I know they can help because they're specialists and it will take away the biggest reason for my drinking. I'm looking forward to waking up without being in agony, and maybe being able to do a bit more without having to stop because of pain. All I hear are good things about pain clinics.
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Originally Posted by deeker
I would be scared to death if I ever got prescribed pain pills again. I know it would be a week before I completetely abused them. If it feels good, I am gonna abuse it. Scary, I hope I never have a major injury.
Just because you abused pain pills doesn't mean Davey will. Frankly, no one knows what will be suggested or prescribed until he is seen at the pain clinic.
I think he's worried enough, as it is. Don't you?
I also hope you never have a major injury or debilitating pain.
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I would probably add to that that different countries have different protocols they follow as well in terms of drugs and chronic pain.
In the UK there often has to be a risk management programme in place. We also have different drug licenses to the states.
In Australia you have to sign a contract between you and the doctor who prescribes to say you will not abuse, only use one source to get your prescription for example.
The companies that make the drugs are also under pressure to manufacture controlled drugs that are less easy to abuse, like small pack size, so there is not a large number of pills in a patients home. Make sure they do not taste really nice or can be tampered with so they get into the blood stream quicker.
I think the other thing to remember is that we need these drugs to treat patients who are in horrific pain from terminal cancer so that they can have a peaceful, pain free death with their loved ones. There are incredibly poorly patients who warrant this treatment and its sad that the abuse from others may prevent them from being prescribed quickly enough.
Best to stop scaremongering I think.
In the UK there often has to be a risk management programme in place. We also have different drug licenses to the states.
In Australia you have to sign a contract between you and the doctor who prescribes to say you will not abuse, only use one source to get your prescription for example.
The companies that make the drugs are also under pressure to manufacture controlled drugs that are less easy to abuse, like small pack size, so there is not a large number of pills in a patients home. Make sure they do not taste really nice or can be tampered with so they get into the blood stream quicker.
I think the other thing to remember is that we need these drugs to treat patients who are in horrific pain from terminal cancer so that they can have a peaceful, pain free death with their loved ones. There are incredibly poorly patients who warrant this treatment and its sad that the abuse from others may prevent them from being prescribed quickly enough.
Best to stop scaremongering I think.
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Originally Posted by Sasha4
Tolerance is a lot different to addiction in the pain management world.
Ask your consultant when you are there.
A lot of what we read about opioids is not medically correct.
I would explain your fears and concerns to your consultant and go with his/her advice.
But thats just me.
I trust doctors and I think the NHS is marvellous.
Ask your consultant when you are there.
A lot of what we read about opioids is not medically correct.
I would explain your fears and concerns to your consultant and go with his/her advice.
But thats just me.
I trust doctors and I think the NHS is marvellous.
I will of course tell the consultant everything.......just not the alcohol part. I do trust doctors completely and I also think the NHS is marvellous, I just don't want alcoholism on record. Still I'm thinking over the opiates again, they tried strong NSAID's once but it completely messed up my stomach/intestines so can't have those again. I'll just wait until the specialist sees me, they know best with this stuff.
At least today wasn't too bad pain wise, so no drinking
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Originally Posted by Received
And therein lies the very big difference between you and Davey, deeker. He is living with agonizing pain day in and day out. Sometimes unrelenting crippling pain that renders him basically completely incapacitated.
Just because you abused pain pills doesn't mean Davey will. Frankly, no one knows what will be suggested or prescribed until he is seen at the pain clinic.
I think he's worried enough, as it is. Don't you?
I also hope you never have a major injury or debilitating pain.
Just because you abused pain pills doesn't mean Davey will. Frankly, no one knows what will be suggested or prescribed until he is seen at the pain clinic.
I think he's worried enough, as it is. Don't you?
I also hope you never have a major injury or debilitating pain.
I never said He would. Please do not put words in my mouth(Rude) , Thank you Very much!!! I am sharing that it would be difficult for me as I am an addict and I would personally abuse them I know..I only share my experiences. I know he is not an addict. I have total empathy for people who are in pain and have to take pills, even when they are addicts/alkies.
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Originally Posted by deeker
I know he is not an addict. I have total empathy for people who are in pain and have to take pills, even when they are addicts/alkies.
Well I am addicted to alcohol no matter what the root cause so I'm an addict, no point in glossing over that fact.
I think what the other person was saying is that you might scare me off opiates, and to be fair when I read your message I spent a couple of hours really worried about using them for pain management as I was already really concerned about taking them. But I'm sure that wasn't your intent, so no problems here
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Originally Posted by Received
Hey Davey. How are things going?
Pain clinic in a few weeks.
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Davey i'm a little late on the thread, but i hope you decide to follow your drs. Suggestions with the meds...you may be able to get by with a low dosage and some counseling, here we use a combination of psych./meds chronic for pain managment.
Please don't let other persons experience/thoughts on their problems worry you or deter you, your goal can be reached.
My mother was prescribed opiates for chronic pain during physical therapy, they helped her tremendously while she strength ened her muscles and allowed her to live better.
Please don't let other persons experience/thoughts on their problems worry you or deter you, your goal can be reached.
My mother was prescribed opiates for chronic pain during physical therapy, they helped her tremendously while she strength ened her muscles and allowed her to live better.
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Originally Posted by Fandy
Davey i'm a little late on the thread, but i hope you decide to follow your drs. Suggestions with the meds...you may be able to get by with a low dosage and some counseling, here we use a combination of psych./meds chronic for pain managment.
Please don't let other persons experience/thoughts on their problems worry you or deter you, your goal can be reached.
My mother was prescribed opiates for chronic pain during physical therapy, they helped her tremendously while she strength ened her muscles and allowed her to live better.
Please don't let other persons experience/thoughts on their problems worry you or deter you, your goal can be reached.
My mother was prescribed opiates for chronic pain during physical therapy, they helped her tremendously while she strength ened her muscles and allowed her to live better.
I made a pro and con list yesterday about this decision and the number of pros really outweighed the cons. As I said earlier, in the end I can stay off opiates and keep drinking to dull the pain, which of course will badly affect my health and wellbeing. Or I can take the medication and be supervised by my doctor regarding dosage. The second option sounds much better.
I still get the odd craving to drink but it's not that bad, the time I'm most likely to give in is when the pain builds to a point I give in. So without that trigger I think staying sober will be a great deal easier.
Still sober btw guys. Had a few bad days with pain and nearly gave in again, but luckily today isn't so awful, maybe a 5 on the pain scale, which to me is a big relief
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Just throwing out an update.
I am sober and staying that way (hopefully!). Apin is doing it's usual thing but pain clinic within the next week. I've gotten over my fear of opiates after talking to some people on another forum who have my condition and have themselves been to a pain clinic.
Looking forward to a better, pain reduced, sober future
I am sober and staying that way (hopefully!). Apin is doing it's usual thing but pain clinic within the next week. I've gotten over my fear of opiates after talking to some people on another forum who have my condition and have themselves been to a pain clinic.
Looking forward to a better, pain reduced, sober future
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Good for you Davey!
It sounds like you are starting to try and get control of the pain, rather than the pain controlling you.
Will you come back and tell me how you went on at the pain clinic please?
I've been wondering about you
My best to you
It sounds like you are starting to try and get control of the pain, rather than the pain controlling you.
Will you come back and tell me how you went on at the pain clinic please?
I've been wondering about you
My best to you
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Hey everyone! Well just checking in as I think you all deserve updates from people you have helped.
I am very sober, if you can be very sober lol. I feel a great deal better now I have been sober for a while. I get the occasional day where I feel a bit down, especially when my illness is bad but I don't feel a need to drink. I get some cravings but they're pretty minor, easily dismissed by finding something to do. The pain I was feeling over my right side (liver) has gone, my mind seems way clearer as well.
The pain clinic went great, they listened to every concern I had regarding taking opiates and have promised to keep a close eye on things. I should be seeing them again in a couple of weeks time. It is definitely easier to stay sober when the pain is reduced.
I am very sober, if you can be very sober lol. I feel a great deal better now I have been sober for a while. I get the occasional day where I feel a bit down, especially when my illness is bad but I don't feel a need to drink. I get some cravings but they're pretty minor, easily dismissed by finding something to do. The pain I was feeling over my right side (liver) has gone, my mind seems way clearer as well.
The pain clinic went great, they listened to every concern I had regarding taking opiates and have promised to keep a close eye on things. I should be seeing them again in a couple of weeks time. It is definitely easier to stay sober when the pain is reduced.
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I am over the moon for you Davey!
How nice of you to come back and tell us how you got on. I've been thinking about you.
The pain clinic sounds fabulous. I am so happy its working for you.
As part of my job I work with some pain clinics in the UK.
Out of all the different sections of medical care - urology, surgery, cardiology etc - I find the pain guys really easy to relate to. They never seem to judge and now that the impact of chronic pain can be more then just pain. It can affect sleep, everyday activities and your mood.
My best to you
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How nice of you to come back and tell us how you got on. I've been thinking about you.
The pain clinic sounds fabulous. I am so happy its working for you.
As part of my job I work with some pain clinics in the UK.
Out of all the different sections of medical care - urology, surgery, cardiology etc - I find the pain guys really easy to relate to. They never seem to judge and now that the impact of chronic pain can be more then just pain. It can affect sleep, everyday activities and your mood.
My best to you
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Davey, I have also relapsed and am beating myself up about it. I was trying to deal with side effect of a physical illness. The irritating thing is a small amount of alcohol helps with the symptoms but I cannot stick to a small amount. Going to discuss the issue with my doctor this afternoon. Don't hold out much hop to be honest.
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Harvey - doctors are used to patients self medicating with drink and drugs.
It is nothing they have not seen before.
I hope you get on well at your appointment and have a productive conversation.
My best to you
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It is nothing they have not seen before.
I hope you get on well at your appointment and have a productive conversation.
My best to you
xx
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Hey recieved.
Yeah without the constant agony it's a lot easier to stay sober. Don't get me wrong there are days when the medication is only just keeping the pain down and I get tempted but so far I'm sober and fine. I also had a bit of a realisation, I am sober, I want to stay sober but if anything ever goes wrong I know I can quickly kick it and get back on the sober path now my pain management is in place.
I cannot possible sing the praises of the pain clinic enough, they are so excellent. Apart from medications they prescribed some specialist physiotherapy and massage designed to help with the pain and increase the movements of my joints.
Yeah without the constant agony it's a lot easier to stay sober. Don't get me wrong there are days when the medication is only just keeping the pain down and I get tempted but so far I'm sober and fine. I also had a bit of a realisation, I am sober, I want to stay sober but if anything ever goes wrong I know I can quickly kick it and get back on the sober path now my pain management is in place.
I cannot possible sing the praises of the pain clinic enough, they are so excellent. Apart from medications they prescribed some specialist physiotherapy and massage designed to help with the pain and increase the movements of my joints.
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