Originally Posted by Hodd

Not sure what a dry drunk is exactly?

Originally Posted by Hodd

I’m probably one as I quit 3 years ago, get the occasional craving and would almost certainly cave in if I had that so-called one drink. But I’m not craving every day and can live without alcohol. Life is pretty good. I think you’re doing OK, GCesp, more than OK, so carry on enjoying life.

Originally Posted by Gcesp

I definitely see sobriety as causing the Dunning-Kruger effect in that once you start living life to its fullest, you see not necessarily all the possibilities, but certainly more. In seeing more possibilities your overall certainty and confidence decrease because you understand that your capabilities or skillset and knowledge are almost always conditional as you become aware of how complex not only life is, but can become many of whose challenges you have not yet faced, so you feel smaller with more insight in knowing there's just so much out there that you at best may only peripherally be aware of and certainly are not as prepared as you'd like to face should it ever rear its ugly head. With your eyes opened you understand that conditions can and do change so your current skillset may not be as relevant or applicable.

But at the same time you are more adaptable as well, and because you have more time and energy, the adaptation, or unfavorable circumstances, don't bother you as much and handling adversity becomes easier. So over time you wear more hats and become a better person. You're more able to learn from the all experiences, especially when you're not as good as you should be, especially when you were good enough but just weren't because you made a mistake and it was your fault, and accept that. You also are more OK with all those times when you do your best and it's still not enough.

This is truly shocking to me how the scientific community is coming out full force against alcohol in the "NO SAFE DOSE" vertict. There is so much dis-information, and the more money, power and profit lies behind something, the more likely it is to be encouraged. So while a big chunk of me definitely has the conspiracy thought because I don't necessarily trust anything, for modern healthcare to be rallying against alcohol so much is a message that is hard to ignore, and why I took it so loud and clear.

Originally Posted by DriGuy

Like Anna, I don't like the term dry drunk. You can't be dry (as in not drinking) and be a drunk, so it's a meaningless oxymoron. As such, it is usually used to suggest that a deeper hidden meaning is being discussed, and that usually invites one to use it in some perverse and usually derogatory way of passing judgement on someone else's sobriety. Sure, you can be sober and have other disturbing problems, but normies do too. So attaching "drunk" to a sober person who is less than he should be doesn't help much. Everyone is less than what they should be, unless someone has reached perfection.


Any former practicing alcoholic now in recovery who never has a craving, or at least a passing thought about having a drink, is most likely pulling your leg. If you are sober, you are not a drunk, and that is a big step.

Originally Posted by fishkiller

Never heard of Dunning-Kruger but man that sure explains some things.

Alcohol hid so much from me but now that I am sober I became disoriented and way more insecure than ever. Now I understand why.
Thanks for posting that.

I am now at the 2nd stage, realizing my new found strength and gaining confidence against whatever comes along.

We can handle it much better sober

Great Post!