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Old 11-05-2009, 02:02 AM   #1 (permalink)
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.., the best asset you have is yourself... no one can really help you except yourself.. self determination..
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Old 11-05-2009, 09:28 AM   #2 (permalink)
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If I could've stopped drinking with self-determination alone, I wouldn't be here asking for help.

So what's your point?
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Old 11-05-2009, 01:23 PM   #5 (permalink)
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True.. it's you and you alone that stops.
No one can "stop for you"
And no one pours a drink down you. You do that yourself.
Others can help but in the end it is you that has to do it.
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Old 11-05-2009, 01:31 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Old 11-05-2009, 02:20 PM   #7 (permalink)
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If I could've stopped drinking with self-determination alone, I wouldn't be here asking for help.
I agree. If I could stay sober with self-determination I would have succeeded at least once in the first thousand times I tried to quit on my own.

I do agree that self-knowledge has something to do with recovery, but it is the kind of self-knowledge that comes from surrender and humility - not self-determination.

"To thy self be true" means learning what our hidden motives are and what our delusions are blocking us from.
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I read self-determination like commitment.
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Old 11-05-2009, 02:33 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I'm read self-determination like commitment.
I agree with one caveat - I am committed to the effort but detached from the results. Self-determination is what kept me attached to the results and therefore attached to self-centeredness.
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Old 11-05-2009, 04:26 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Another way to think of it is that self-determination means taking responsibility. I got myself into this mess, and it's my job and mine alone to get myself out - and if humbling myself and asking for and accepting help is part of what I have to do to solve this problem, then it's my responsibility to swallow my pride and do exactly that.
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