(N ot So) CNew Franks Thread Part 7
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Glad it's Friday, too. Completed a project today and it felt good to push it off my desk, though it will resurface once the boss has "input."
That is a pretty Jag, Shabby. The Jaguar advertising account, ironically, plays an integral role in the "Mad Men" plot, as does automobile advertising in general.
Sao, what color will your Lancia be? Am I correct in thinking that's a ways off? The last photograph I remember showed a lot of work still taking place under the hood.
That is a pretty Jag, Shabby. The Jaguar advertising account, ironically, plays an integral role in the "Mad Men" plot, as does automobile advertising in general.
Sao, what color will your Lancia be? Am I correct in thinking that's a ways off? The last photograph I remember showed a lot of work still taking place under the hood.
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That is a Studebaker Commander (or Commodore - they similar) They were designed by a very famous American designer called Virgil Exner. Up until quite recently they were still building replica Studebaker Avanti's which I really like (that is one below).
There is a famous factory in New Zealand (Beecham or Beachams?) that build replica Jags with modern engines and running gear, including E-Types. I suspect they are for rich boys only but they do look good. I think they might even be in Auckland Shabby
Venecia - will probably paint it dark green which was its original colour - original colour usually gets the best price. Personally I would love to paint it white or cream to go with the red leather interior
I'm glad this thread is still going, even though there are not many of us left I would miss it if it folded. Also it is a sort of nod to Frank who,if you are reading this all the best fella
Avanti
There is a famous factory in New Zealand (Beecham or Beachams?) that build replica Jags with modern engines and running gear, including E-Types. I suspect they are for rich boys only but they do look good. I think they might even be in Auckland Shabby
Venecia - will probably paint it dark green which was its original colour - original colour usually gets the best price. Personally I would love to paint it white or cream to go with the red leather interior
I'm glad this thread is still going, even though there are not many of us left I would miss it if it folded. Also it is a sort of nod to Frank who,if you are reading this all the best fella
Avanti
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Who would like a photo of my favourite car of all time - one of which I could have bought for £4,000 in 1985 but turned down as too pricey (multiply by 150 to get the current value) The Pain the Pain!
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Agghhhhhh....I can feel the pain!! If it's any consolation we sold my house when we easily could have rented it and we would be half a million dollars better off now had we not done so. Agony to dwell on.
Wow - that Studebaker is really unusual. Way cool.
Yes please -photo :-)
Wow - that Studebaker is really unusual. Way cool.
Yes please -photo :-)
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Sorry - my last post read like a tease which I didn't mean, it's just that I didn't want to bore people with car stuff
Anyway, here it is, the greatest supercar most people have never heard of. It's called an Iso Grifo and was the brainchild of an Italian guy called Renzo Rivolta and Ferrari engineer Giancotta Bizarrini.
It never sold in numbers (504 in 12 years) due to snobbishness - it used a 5.9 litre and then a 7 litre Chrysler engine tuned to produce over 400bhp. This meant that it was not "pure bred" Italian but unlike Ferrari's and other Italian supercars of the time it would actually work when you turned the key
Grifo is the Italian word for Griffin - a mythical beast that ate horses (Ferrari's logo is a prancing horse). Enzo Ferrari hated them.
In the late 1970s and early 1980s when they were no longer made they could be bought for a song
To me it feels a bit like a band that you liked when they first started out going on to become really famous and so you have to share with everyone else
Anyway, here it is, the greatest supercar most people have never heard of. It's called an Iso Grifo and was the brainchild of an Italian guy called Renzo Rivolta and Ferrari engineer Giancotta Bizarrini.
It never sold in numbers (504 in 12 years) due to snobbishness - it used a 5.9 litre and then a 7 litre Chrysler engine tuned to produce over 400bhp. This meant that it was not "pure bred" Italian but unlike Ferrari's and other Italian supercars of the time it would actually work when you turned the key
Grifo is the Italian word for Griffin - a mythical beast that ate horses (Ferrari's logo is a prancing horse). Enzo Ferrari hated them.
In the late 1970s and early 1980s when they were no longer made they could be bought for a song
To me it feels a bit like a band that you liked when they first started out going on to become really famous and so you have to share with everyone else
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Cool wheels, Sao! Ah, the one that got away.
You posted once that you may wind up selling your Lancia when you complete its restoration. My hope for you is that you don't. Or that not for a good chunk of time. It's nice to be able to think of you tooling around in the product of your passion, enjoying the feeling of the road underneath you. Be sure to buy the coolest sunglasses your pocketbook can afford! And capture photos of your little granddaughters in the car so they'll have them when they're old enough to appreciate the endeavor. (I'm not sure how well suited to kiddie car seats a Lancia would be, but you'll figure it out!) Of course, I feel comfortable speaking for the others on this thread that we, too, would love seeing photographs of the process and the results.
Any updates on the "casting" of the car once it's completed? You'd mentioned once looking into the possibility of it being used in advertising or even the movies. I think that sounds like a brilliant idea. I could certainly envision Benedict Cumberbatch or Colin Firth behind the wheel of your car!
I envy you. One of the sorrier outcomes of addiction -- for me, anyway -- was the time wasted. I feel compelled to do something, create something. My father was like that. Constantly in his shop, particularly after retirement, doing and making. There's not anything exactly like that in my life. Travel is probably my biggest passion and if I had more time/money, it's safe to say I'd be doing much more. My wings have been somewhat clipped since Dad's death and the decline in Mom's health. Photography, too, feeds my soul. But the beginning-to-end process of creation has proven somewhat elusive. There are a couple writing projects in the offing but they're not fully baked enough that I'm ready to share much about them.
But I have hope that I will find my own version of the Lancia. That's one of the greatest benefits of sobriety. Hope suddenly -- or is it gradually? -- becomes something real, something reachable.
You posted once that you may wind up selling your Lancia when you complete its restoration. My hope for you is that you don't. Or that not for a good chunk of time. It's nice to be able to think of you tooling around in the product of your passion, enjoying the feeling of the road underneath you. Be sure to buy the coolest sunglasses your pocketbook can afford! And capture photos of your little granddaughters in the car so they'll have them when they're old enough to appreciate the endeavor. (I'm not sure how well suited to kiddie car seats a Lancia would be, but you'll figure it out!) Of course, I feel comfortable speaking for the others on this thread that we, too, would love seeing photographs of the process and the results.
Any updates on the "casting" of the car once it's completed? You'd mentioned once looking into the possibility of it being used in advertising or even the movies. I think that sounds like a brilliant idea. I could certainly envision Benedict Cumberbatch or Colin Firth behind the wheel of your car!
I envy you. One of the sorrier outcomes of addiction -- for me, anyway -- was the time wasted. I feel compelled to do something, create something. My father was like that. Constantly in his shop, particularly after retirement, doing and making. There's not anything exactly like that in my life. Travel is probably my biggest passion and if I had more time/money, it's safe to say I'd be doing much more. My wings have been somewhat clipped since Dad's death and the decline in Mom's health. Photography, too, feeds my soul. But the beginning-to-end process of creation has proven somewhat elusive. There are a couple writing projects in the offing but they're not fully baked enough that I'm ready to share much about them.
But I have hope that I will find my own version of the Lancia. That's one of the greatest benefits of sobriety. Hope suddenly -- or is it gradually? -- becomes something real, something reachable.
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And since I'm a little chatty this a.m. ...
Yesterday, I came the closest to acknowledging my recovery that I ever will on Facebook. Not that I would characterize it as much of a confession.
I wrote that I belong to a worldwide web community that is meaningful to me. And that there is a survey going on in which members can share the most memorable part of 2015. I wrote that people shared baseball wins, the papal visit, etc., and that someone (!) listed the All Blacks victory. Then I went on to share the video that one of our members shared of the Rockin1000 appeal to the Foo Fighters to come to Italy.
Because I think it's one of the coolest things I've ever seen!
But it was in response to my thread that an old acquaintance -- one of my brother's best buds from h.s. -- shared that he is a huge All Blacks fan. Played rugby while in the Air Force.
That led me to Google All Blacks and the first thing that came up was entitled "best haka ever." And now I'm fascinated and curious, with questions for Shabs.
Is the haka only done by All Blacks? I know it is customary to Maori people. Is there any controversy about it? I ask because one of the true shames of pro/collegiate sports in our nation is the use of Native American terms in team names. (It's always defended with "arguments" that strike me as thinly veiled racism. It's awful.)
I also wondered about the origins of All Blacks and the haka. Have they done it for a long time? Do they choose a player with Maori origins to lead it? The one in this video does so with ferocious splendor. I remember a scene from one of my all-time favorite movies, "Whale Rider," when the haka is performed. (Gosh, I loved that movie.)
All Blacks best haka ever ...
And the Rockin 1000 ... cool, cool, cool.
And with that, I will bring my lengthy posts to a conclusion. Gym time.
Yesterday, I came the closest to acknowledging my recovery that I ever will on Facebook. Not that I would characterize it as much of a confession.
I wrote that I belong to a worldwide web community that is meaningful to me. And that there is a survey going on in which members can share the most memorable part of 2015. I wrote that people shared baseball wins, the papal visit, etc., and that someone (!) listed the All Blacks victory. Then I went on to share the video that one of our members shared of the Rockin1000 appeal to the Foo Fighters to come to Italy.
Because I think it's one of the coolest things I've ever seen!
But it was in response to my thread that an old acquaintance -- one of my brother's best buds from h.s. -- shared that he is a huge All Blacks fan. Played rugby while in the Air Force.
That led me to Google All Blacks and the first thing that came up was entitled "best haka ever." And now I'm fascinated and curious, with questions for Shabs.
Is the haka only done by All Blacks? I know it is customary to Maori people. Is there any controversy about it? I ask because one of the true shames of pro/collegiate sports in our nation is the use of Native American terms in team names. (It's always defended with "arguments" that strike me as thinly veiled racism. It's awful.)
I also wondered about the origins of All Blacks and the haka. Have they done it for a long time? Do they choose a player with Maori origins to lead it? The one in this video does so with ferocious splendor. I remember a scene from one of my all-time favorite movies, "Whale Rider," when the haka is performed. (Gosh, I loved that movie.)
All Blacks best haka ever ...
And the Rockin 1000 ... cool, cool, cool.
And with that, I will bring my lengthy posts to a conclusion. Gym time.
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TooShabby will know a lot more than me but most of the controversies have been about how other teams respond. Australia and France often ignore. One time the England players stood millimetres away from their opposite number (no longer allowed). An Aussie TV station once added digitally enhanced handbags to the All Blacks. Tonga Samoa and Fiji all have their own version
I may have posted this pick of the Lancia before but it hasn't changed since. It may be too little known outside of Italy for people to put it on screen but you never know...
Good idea with the sunglasses Ven. Open roads hard to find where I live but I will definitely keep it for a while. I will be taking it to Le Mans on the 2nd weekend in June
I may have posted this pick of the Lancia before but it hasn't changed since. It may be too little known outside of Italy for people to put it on screen but you never know...
Good idea with the sunglasses Ven. Open roads hard to find where I live but I will definitely keep it for a while. I will be taking it to Le Mans on the 2nd weekend in June
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Iso Griffo - no, never heard of it. What a beauty! The back of it reminds me a bit of an XJS. It's got that chunky, heavy delicious look some Aston Martins have. Gorgeous. That's funny about the snobbishness factor, especially seeing as it precluded people from driving a reliable car!
The haka (same word singular and plural) that are performed by the All Blacks are war dances/challenges, but there are a variety of haka for different purposes; greetings, funerals, special occasions. So no, it's not just the All Blacks who do the haka.
The haka has been a part of New Zealand Rugby for over 100 years. There has been a very small amount of controversy about its cultural appropriateness in the past, but it has been minimal and I haven't heard it spoken of for a very long time. I think generally speaking the Maori are proud that their culture is being 'showcased' for want of a much better expression. Yes, they always choose a Maori All Black to lead the haka :-)
In 1840, the British Crown and Maori signed The Treaty of Waitangi which offers a lot of protection for Maori interests. The Treaty was fairly dormant for a long time but since the Maori have became more savvy they have been extracting their rightful pound of flesh. The majority of Kiwis support this and are typically proud of race relations in this country. Anything that hinted at racism would be jumped on pretty quickly.
I *sobbed* when I saw Whale Rider - that scene where she is in a coma and the Maori elder refers to her as a wise leader......wow.
The haka (same word singular and plural) that are performed by the All Blacks are war dances/challenges, but there are a variety of haka for different purposes; greetings, funerals, special occasions. So no, it's not just the All Blacks who do the haka.
The haka has been a part of New Zealand Rugby for over 100 years. There has been a very small amount of controversy about its cultural appropriateness in the past, but it has been minimal and I haven't heard it spoken of for a very long time. I think generally speaking the Maori are proud that their culture is being 'showcased' for want of a much better expression. Yes, they always choose a Maori All Black to lead the haka :-)
In 1840, the British Crown and Maori signed The Treaty of Waitangi which offers a lot of protection for Maori interests. The Treaty was fairly dormant for a long time but since the Maori have became more savvy they have been extracting their rightful pound of flesh. The majority of Kiwis support this and are typically proud of race relations in this country. Anything that hinted at racism would be jumped on pretty quickly.
I *sobbed* when I saw Whale Rider - that scene where she is in a coma and the Maori elder refers to her as a wise leader......wow.
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I hope you find something that will occupy your creative thoughts Venecia. You write really well so i hope something comes of the writing projects
I didn't know NZ rugby/haka were over 100 years old. The Maoris seem to have faired better that Australian Aboriginal and Native Americans/Canadians
I didn't know NZ rugby/haka were over 100 years old. The Maoris seem to have faired better that Australian Aboriginal and Native Americans/Canadians
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Yes, I can see you as a writer. I think of you as an American version of a Bronte sister :-) Intelligent, elegant, and eloquent. Fun loving too :-)
Yep, I think they have faired better, Sao. The Treaty has a lot to do with that. It really came back to bite the white man on his ass - ha ha!! We still have a heck of a lot of drug, poverty and domestic violence problems though which sadly seems typical for colonised peoples.
Yep, I think they have faired better, Sao. The Treaty has a lot to do with that. It really came back to bite the white man on his ass - ha ha!! We still have a heck of a lot of drug, poverty and domestic violence problems though which sadly seems typical for colonised peoples.
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Thank you, nice people, for your informative posts.
Interesting that the Grifo's history includes the fact that it actually ran well. That was one of the undercurrents of the "Mad Men" Jaguar plotline -- that the make actually wasn't a very good car.
The treaty in New Zealand, and its legacy, seems to have proven a notable exception to the rule when it comes to indigenous people. At least to a degree. The history -- and, in some respects, current state -- of Native Americans is truly a national disgrace here. Heartbreaking.
Interesting that the Grifo's history includes the fact that it actually ran well. That was one of the undercurrents of the "Mad Men" Jaguar plotline -- that the make actually wasn't a very good car.
The treaty in New Zealand, and its legacy, seems to have proven a notable exception to the rule when it comes to indigenous people. At least to a degree. The history -- and, in some respects, current state -- of Native Americans is truly a national disgrace here. Heartbreaking.
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I know, Venecia. It is so sad :-( And what a rich, spiritual culture it seems to be too, from the very, very little I have heard about it.
Like Sao says, the Aborigine are all but destroyed too. I really don't understand why these things aren't talked about. There is a very definite 'phenomenon' going on - both with the predicaments and people's apparent diffidence about them. Do you think it's guilt? A sense of helplessness?
Like Sao says, the Aborigine are all but destroyed too. I really don't understand why these things aren't talked about. There is a very definite 'phenomenon' going on - both with the predicaments and people's apparent diffidence about them. Do you think it's guilt? A sense of helplessness?
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Originally Posted by saoutchik 
Sorry - my last post read like a tease which I didn't mean, it's just that I didn't want to bore people with car stuff
Anyway, here it is, the greatest supercar most people have never heard of. It's called an Iso Grifo and was the brainchild of an Italian guy called Renzo Rivolta and Ferrari engineer Giancotta Bizarrini.
It never sold in numbers (504 in 12 years) due to snobbishness - it used a 5.9 litre and then a 7 litre Chrysler engine tuned to produce over 400bhp. This meant that it was not "pure bred" Italian but unlike Ferrari's and other Italian supercars of the time it would actually work when you turned the key
Grifo is the Italian word for Griffin - a mythical beast that ate horses (Ferrari's logo is a prancing horse). Enzo Ferrari hated them.
In the late 1970s and early 1980s when they were no longer made they could be bought for a song
To me it feels a bit like a band that you liked when they first started out going on to become really famous and so you have to share with everyone else
Anyway, here it is, the greatest supercar most people have never heard of. It's called an Iso Grifo and was the brainchild of an Italian guy called Renzo Rivolta and Ferrari engineer Giancotta Bizarrini.
It never sold in numbers (504 in 12 years) due to snobbishness - it used a 5.9 litre and then a 7 litre Chrysler engine tuned to produce over 400bhp. This meant that it was not "pure bred" Italian but unlike Ferrari's and other Italian supercars of the time it would actually work when you turned the key
Grifo is the Italian word for Griffin - a mythical beast that ate horses (Ferrari's logo is a prancing horse). Enzo Ferrari hated them.
In the late 1970s and early 1980s when they were no longer made they could be bought for a song
To me it feels a bit like a band that you liked when they first started out going on to become really famous and so you have to share with everyone else
Saoutchik, that was one of the very first cars I wanted, as a 10 year old boy, in 1965. I had managed to obtain an issue of Sports Car Graphic which featured the car. I remember thinking it was beautiful, in silver. Very European, but with an American V8. I dreamed of having a car like that for years, and actually still prefer European cars.
I never owned anything quite like it, but I did have close friends who bought a Maserati during that time period you mention, when cars like that were cheap. I believe it was a 1967, also silver. It looked like a James Bond car, though obviously those are Aston Martin. Unfortunately it was totalled by a drunk driver, while parked, a real shame.
Good luck on your Lancia project.
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Hey Advbike! Adv is the kind of person people have in mind when they say "he's good people." He also is into wheels. 
One of my classmates. We are smaller in number these days, but still stick together. Love them.
Shabby, in response to your question above, I just don't have the answer. I think that here in the United States, part of it, sadly, may be "out of sight, out of mind."
Oh, the weekend went fast. Monday beckons ...
One of my classmates. We are smaller in number these days, but still stick together. Love them. Shabby, in response to your question above, I just don't have the answer. I think that here in the United States, part of it, sadly, may be "out of sight, out of mind."
Oh, the weekend went fast. Monday beckons ...
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Thanks V, for the kind words. I agree on the situation regarding Native Americans. So sad. And then giving them the gaming (casino) franchise.. to further disgrace their heritage and spiritual inheritance. I have read that the reason they have such a high degree of alcoholism and addiction, besides the lacking enzyme, is the extreme degree with which we separated them from their native traditions, and heritage, causing a complete identity crisis and spiritual isolation.
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Originally Posted by advbike
I have read that the reason they have such a high degree of alcoholism and addiction, besides the lacking enzyme, is the extreme degree with which we separated them from their native traditions, and heritage, causing a complete identity crisis and spiritual isolation.
I also know that in Australia the government took many Aborigine babies and children away from their parents to be adopted by whites with the idea it would be best for them. Regardless of what one thinks of Kevin Rudd (ex Australian prime minister) the formal apology he delivered in parliament to the Aborigine about this was extremely moving. Even in this day and age there were some people who argued he should not have made it - go figure.
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