NYS lifetime driving revocation imposed by DMV retroactively
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After a lifetime of inflicted retroactive daily punishment I get a real fun way to die too.
The most common long-term diabetes-related health problems are: damage to the large blood vessels of the heart, brain and legs (macrovascular complications) damage to the small blood vessels, causing problems in the eyes, kidneys, feet and nerves (microvascular complications)
The later stages of retinal injury are called proliferative retinopathy, because new fragile blood vessels grow to supply the damaged areas of the retina. These new blood vessels can bleed into the vitreous gel , the gel-filled area in front of the retina. Over time, scar tissue that forms from bleeding can cause the retina to detach from the wall of the eye (retinal detachment) and cause loss of vision.
After a lifetime of inflicted retroactive daily punishment I get a real fun way to die too.
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Originally Posted by KyleT 
My original intention was fighting. I need to find the other people.
Sometimes I have ideas that make total sense to me but then I run them by other people just to make sure.
Its my belief that the other several thousand of people they did this retroactive thing too to have a suicide and overdose rate that far exceeds any other demographic.
Lets not kid around here alcoholism and addiction is deadly. I have dead peoples numbers in my phone. I feel guilty deleting them. Any of us that been around recovery for any length of time knows people who are no longer with us.
There can not be any other result but an increase in suicide and over dose if you add the burden on the resentment of lifetime retroactive revocation on a person who already suffers alcoholism/addiction and the mental issues that always goes with it.
I am an angry and resentful SOB I hate the state but I am not all self centered. I am not the only one they are destroying.
I am not that special, I am not the only one subjected to ex post facto lifetime revocation that wakes up at 4 am cant go back to sleep pondering WTF do I do with my life now ?
No way everyone else moved on to acceptance somehow.
Maybe I am different the way I hate them take it personal but the impact of lifetime retroactive driver licence revocation impacts peoples lives.
Is my thinking flawed, is the suicide and overdose rate among people subjected to this lifetime retroactive licence revocation not almost certainly higher then any other group ?
Going to meetings is 10 times harder, seeing the doctor, job , relationship every aspect of life in todays motorcar society 10 times harder.
Even people who don't over think everything like I do many of them must think why get sober they are never giving my driver licence back anyway so whats the point. Even if they don't intellectualize it at all the added stress, isolation, hopelessness and depression.
It can't just be me, I am not that special. I am not unique.
Sometimes I have ideas that make total sense to me but then I run them by other people just to make sure.
Its my belief that the other several thousand of people they did this retroactive thing too to have a suicide and overdose rate that far exceeds any other demographic.
Lets not kid around here alcoholism and addiction is deadly. I have dead peoples numbers in my phone. I feel guilty deleting them. Any of us that been around recovery for any length of time knows people who are no longer with us.
There can not be any other result but an increase in suicide and over dose if you add the burden on the resentment of lifetime retroactive revocation on a person who already suffers alcoholism/addiction and the mental issues that always goes with it.
I am an angry and resentful SOB I hate the state but I am not all self centered. I am not the only one they are destroying.
I am not that special, I am not the only one subjected to ex post facto lifetime revocation that wakes up at 4 am cant go back to sleep pondering WTF do I do with my life now ?
No way everyone else moved on to acceptance somehow.
Maybe I am different the way I hate them take it personal but the impact of lifetime retroactive driver licence revocation impacts peoples lives.
Is my thinking flawed, is the suicide and overdose rate among people subjected to this lifetime retroactive licence revocation not almost certainly higher then any other group ?
Going to meetings is 10 times harder, seeing the doctor, job , relationship every aspect of life in todays motorcar society 10 times harder.
Even people who don't over think everything like I do many of them must think why get sober they are never giving my driver licence back anyway so whats the point. Even if they don't intellectualize it at all the added stress, isolation, hopelessness and depression.
It can't just be me, I am not that special. I am not unique.
I would like feedback on this.
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Originally Posted by Nathan57
Last post Kyle, when you are not ranting about losing your driver's license, you seem very compassionate. You need to move on, you know that.
That would mean I am beaten.
I found some beautiful writing online. I will paste it.
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"When you think about it, this beautiful planet where we were born (Planet Earth), gives its bounties FOR FREE (Food, Water and Shelter), with only a minimum effort invested.
Unfortunately, most people have become convinced by the ruling class - ie : a bunch of parasites committed to their narcissism- that a life of servitude, stress and submissiveness, is just the normal course of things.
Most people are so well indoctrinated and trained, that instead of growing a backbone, their only reaction is to use junk-food, junk-tv, porn and hatred between one another as an outlet for the stress that is by design being dumped daily on them. It is almost as if people feel lost and confused without a bully pressing his boots against their neck, and their only goal in life is to fit in and obey. People see their vicious abusers as parental-figures, such is the sorry state of humanity nowadays.
Part of people’s indoctrination by their abusers, is to regard ‘death’ as the ultimate bad thing. As a result, people would rather spend a lifetime groveling on their hands and knees - slowly being destroyed by chronic stress - than grow a backbone and get rid of their vicious enslavers. In fact, ‘death’ is just as natural as the alternation of day and night, and we start to die from the moment we are conceived, so why regard ‘death’ as the ultimate bad thing ?. The ultimate bad thing is to waste one’s earthly life in servitude and stress."
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Put that separation line.
Can you understand by giving up my hatred that means they beat me ?
To accept this injustice that's ex post facto punishment , how could I look myself in the mirror ?
It means throwing away who I am.
I never once complained about that miserable hellhole that is jail. Get a second DUI go to jail. I signed up for that.
Lifetime revocation was not the punishment when I went for that ride and got DUI .
Have you read George Orwell's 1984 ?
Winston has been changed from the rebellious individual into a completely obedient and subservient member of the party.
Had they "allowed" him to die, the Party would have lost. By keeping him alive but reducing him to his totally servile state, they have triumphed.
If I accept this and "move on" they have stolen my soul.
I have to hate them till my last dying breath. No other choice.
They cant have my soul.
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Originally Posted by KyleT
My original intention was fighting. I need to find the other people.
Sometimes I have ideas that make total sense to me but then I run them by other people just to make sure.
Its my belief that the other several thousand of people they did this retroactive thing too to have a suicide and overdose rate that far exceeds any other demographic.
Lets not kid around here alcoholism and addiction is deadly. I have dead peoples numbers in my phone. I feel guilty deleting them. Any of us that been around recovery for any length of time knows people who are no longer with us.
There can not be any other result but an increase in suicide and over dose if you add the burden on the resentment of lifetime retroactive revocation on a person who already suffers alcoholism/addiction and the mental issues that always goes with it.
I am an angry and resentful SOB I hate the state but I am not all self centered. I am not the only one they are destroying.
I am not that special, I am not the only one subjected to ex post facto lifetime revocation that wakes up at 4 am cant go back to sleep pondering WTF do I do with my life now ?
No way everyone else moved on to acceptance somehow.
Maybe I am different the way I hate them take it personal but the impact of lifetime retroactive driver licence revocation impacts peoples lives.
Is my thinking flawed, is the suicide and overdose rate among people subjected to this lifetime retroactive licence revocation not almost certainly higher then any other group ?
Going to meetings is 10 times harder, seeing the doctor, job , relationship every aspect of life in todays motorcar society 10 times harder.
Even people who don't over think everything like I do many of them must think why get sober they are never giving my driver licence back anyway so whats the point. Even if they don't intellectualize it at all the added stress, isolation, hopelessness and depression.
It can't just be me, I am not that special. I am not unique.
Sometimes I have ideas that make total sense to me but then I run them by other people just to make sure.
Its my belief that the other several thousand of people they did this retroactive thing too to have a suicide and overdose rate that far exceeds any other demographic.
Lets not kid around here alcoholism and addiction is deadly. I have dead peoples numbers in my phone. I feel guilty deleting them. Any of us that been around recovery for any length of time knows people who are no longer with us.
There can not be any other result but an increase in suicide and over dose if you add the burden on the resentment of lifetime retroactive revocation on a person who already suffers alcoholism/addiction and the mental issues that always goes with it.
I am an angry and resentful SOB I hate the state but I am not all self centered. I am not the only one they are destroying.
I am not that special, I am not the only one subjected to ex post facto lifetime revocation that wakes up at 4 am cant go back to sleep pondering WTF do I do with my life now ?
No way everyone else moved on to acceptance somehow.
Maybe I am different the way I hate them take it personal but the impact of lifetime retroactive driver licence revocation impacts peoples lives.
Is my thinking flawed, is the suicide and overdose rate among people subjected to this lifetime retroactive licence revocation not almost certainly higher then any other group ?
Going to meetings is 10 times harder, seeing the doctor, job , relationship every aspect of life in todays motorcar society 10 times harder.
Even people who don't over think everything like I do many of them must think why get sober they are never giving my driver licence back anyway so whats the point. Even if they don't intellectualize it at all the added stress, isolation, hopelessness and depression.
It can't just be me, I am not that special. I am not unique.
Or even better deleting this entire thread along with my screen name wouldn't mind that either.
This was a fail. Did not find anyone in the same situation.
I would love if this whole thread just vanished.
I dont want to do this anymore or have my pain and rants written wile I feel awful published online.
Just get rid of this. This made me dwell on it and feel worse.
Wish I had the delete button.
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NOV. 21, 2019
DMV TOOK AWAY A BROOKLYN MAN’S LICENSE — 18 YEARS AFTER HIS LAST DWI
Some 18 years after his last DWI, state officials took away Giuseppe Mancuso’s driver’s license.
Now the 51-year-old Bensonhurst man is suing the New York Department of Motor Vehicles in Brooklyn Supreme Court in a case that raises issues — even for Mothers Against Drunk Driving — about regulations that mandate permanently pulling licenses of repeat offenders.
Mancuso racked up his first alcohol-related offense in May 1990, earned four more in 1992, and logged a final infraction in August 2000, court papers show.
Since then, Mancuso said in court documents, he went through rehabilitation to “improve his life and to become a safer and more responsible driver.”
Mancuso got his license back in May 2003 and the DMV renewed it eight years later.
But by the time of his latest renewal, on Oct. 12, 2018, the DMV had implemented new regulations allowing it to purge more drivers for past offenses.
Just over a month later, the DMV “revoked Mr. Mancuso‘s driver‘s license on the grounds that he was a lifetime repeat alcohol offender,” according to the suit.
Spinning His Wheels
The DMV didn’t tell Manscuso his license had been taken away — he found out in March from his car insurance company, according to his lawsuit.
His application for a new license was denied, as was a subsequent appeal.
Since then, he’s had to turn down job offers, and commutes more than five hours a day to get to and from work, according to court filings.
A DMV spokesperson declined to comment on the lawsuit. Mancuso’s attorney, Vasilios Georgiou, didn’t return phone calls and emails requesting comment.
The issue dates to September 2012, when the DMV increased the penalties for drivers who recorded three or more impaired driving convictions in the past 25 years.
Applicants with three or four alcohol- or drug-related driving “convictions or incidents” within the preceding 25 years are now denied renewals for five years, in addition to whatever amount of time is mandated by the court.
Five or more convictions — crossing the line into what the DMV calls a “persistently dangerous driver” — leads to permanent denial.
Within three years of the policy’s implementation, the state had permanently banned at least 3,942 drivers and suspended 3,579 drivers, according to a 2015 New York Post report.
The DMV did not provide THE CITY with updated data.
Calls to Reconsider
When informed about Mancuso’s case, defense attorneys and even safe-driving advocates said the DMV should reconsider its decision.
“Lifetime license revocations in non-injury cases for drunk drivers is literally burying your head in the sand and saying, ‘We’re taking away your license even though you’re a repeat offender and you’re probably going to continue to drive. Good luck not getting caught,’” said Frank Harris, the director of state government affairs for Mothers Against Drunk Driving.
Instead, Harris said, the state should focus on employing laws such as the decade-old Child Passenger Protection Act, which, he says, isn’t effectively enforced. The law mandates that an ignition interlock device be installed for an offender for at least six months after sentencing.
Attorney Dennis Nave, who specializes in DWI cases, said that drivers in Mancuso’s position have little chance of getting their license back without reopening past offenses in a bid to get them removed.
Nave described an instance in which a past client of his was caring for her 90-year-old mother, had cancer herself, lived alone and was looking for a job.
“The DMV said, ‘Nope, denied,’” recalled Nave, a managing partner at the Albany-based Nave Law Firm.
Nave said he believed the DMV should cut Mancuso a break.
“[If] he’s provided proof that he’s been sober for so long, it sounds like it should be the exception where they give him a restricted license with an ignition interlock device and they won’t have to worry about him drinking and driving again,” he said.
nyc/2019/11/dmv-yanks-brooklyn-mans-license-18-years-after-last-dwi.html
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They only destroyed me retroactively after 6 years of sobriety.
Went back 18 years to ruin this guys life.
article fails to mention they will do it to people like me with 3 impaired if you got speeding tickets 30 + years ago as a teenager.
DMV TOOK AWAY A BROOKLYN MAN’S LICENSE — 18 YEARS AFTER HIS LAST DWI
Some 18 years after his last DWI, state officials took away Giuseppe Mancuso’s driver’s license.
Now the 51-year-old Bensonhurst man is suing the New York Department of Motor Vehicles in Brooklyn Supreme Court in a case that raises issues — even for Mothers Against Drunk Driving — about regulations that mandate permanently pulling licenses of repeat offenders.
Mancuso racked up his first alcohol-related offense in May 1990, earned four more in 1992, and logged a final infraction in August 2000, court papers show.
Since then, Mancuso said in court documents, he went through rehabilitation to “improve his life and to become a safer and more responsible driver.”
Mancuso got his license back in May 2003 and the DMV renewed it eight years later.
But by the time of his latest renewal, on Oct. 12, 2018, the DMV had implemented new regulations allowing it to purge more drivers for past offenses.
Just over a month later, the DMV “revoked Mr. Mancuso‘s driver‘s license on the grounds that he was a lifetime repeat alcohol offender,” according to the suit.
Spinning His Wheels
The DMV didn’t tell Manscuso his license had been taken away — he found out in March from his car insurance company, according to his lawsuit.
His application for a new license was denied, as was a subsequent appeal.
Since then, he’s had to turn down job offers, and commutes more than five hours a day to get to and from work, according to court filings.
A DMV spokesperson declined to comment on the lawsuit. Mancuso’s attorney, Vasilios Georgiou, didn’t return phone calls and emails requesting comment.
The issue dates to September 2012, when the DMV increased the penalties for drivers who recorded three or more impaired driving convictions in the past 25 years.
Applicants with three or four alcohol- or drug-related driving “convictions or incidents” within the preceding 25 years are now denied renewals for five years, in addition to whatever amount of time is mandated by the court.
Five or more convictions — crossing the line into what the DMV calls a “persistently dangerous driver” — leads to permanent denial.
Within three years of the policy’s implementation, the state had permanently banned at least 3,942 drivers and suspended 3,579 drivers, according to a 2015 New York Post report.
The DMV did not provide THE CITY with updated data.
Calls to Reconsider
When informed about Mancuso’s case, defense attorneys and even safe-driving advocates said the DMV should reconsider its decision.
“Lifetime license revocations in non-injury cases for drunk drivers is literally burying your head in the sand and saying, ‘We’re taking away your license even though you’re a repeat offender and you’re probably going to continue to drive. Good luck not getting caught,’” said Frank Harris, the director of state government affairs for Mothers Against Drunk Driving.
Instead, Harris said, the state should focus on employing laws such as the decade-old Child Passenger Protection Act, which, he says, isn’t effectively enforced. The law mandates that an ignition interlock device be installed for an offender for at least six months after sentencing.
Attorney Dennis Nave, who specializes in DWI cases, said that drivers in Mancuso’s position have little chance of getting their license back without reopening past offenses in a bid to get them removed.
Nave described an instance in which a past client of his was caring for her 90-year-old mother, had cancer herself, lived alone and was looking for a job.
“The DMV said, ‘Nope, denied,’” recalled Nave, a managing partner at the Albany-based Nave Law Firm.
Nave said he believed the DMV should cut Mancuso a break.
“[If] he’s provided proof that he’s been sober for so long, it sounds like it should be the exception where they give him a restricted license with an ignition interlock device and they won’t have to worry about him drinking and driving again,” he said.
nyc/2019/11/dmv-yanks-brooklyn-mans-license-18-years-after-last-dwi.html
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They only destroyed me retroactively after 6 years of sobriety.
Went back 18 years to ruin this guys life.
article fails to mention they will do it to people like me with 3 impaired if you got speeding tickets 30 + years ago as a teenager.
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