Annoyed, a little mad!
in the end, the question DID NOT get answered. Who cares what we call them...I'm sure it would NOT offend me if my RA called me his CW (codie wife) or whatever. Who the hell cares. iamthird, don't worry about it.
HUGS ALL AROUND
Well when I first joined I didn't read the stickies and I thought you all were calling them A@@Holes!! And I thought......Damn, they are not playing around. Then I decided to educate myself.
And let's face it, in the heat of the moment I am sure we have all said a few things that are far worse than alcoholic husband.
And let's face it, in the heat of the moment I am sure we have all said a few things that are far worse than alcoholic husband.
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I thought we were not allowed to start threads about other posters? it is confusing, because I recently ranted about another post where a poster had annoyed me with their response and MY post was removed.
different rules for different people? there should be clear cut rules for everyone, not coddling.
different rules for different people? there should be clear cut rules for everyone, not coddling.
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iamthird -
I think language can actually be very powerful, so in a way I understand their complaint.
I used to volunteer with children with autism and at the time everyone used to refer to them as "he's autistic" or "she's autistic". No one thought anything of labeling them.
But now I think that people are starting to realize that people are NOT their disease. People HAVE a disease, but it is not them. So now people say "she has autism".
Take cancer for example. No one says "she's cancer". If they did, I think it would be understandable why some people would be offended. By referring to someone according to their disease, we are dehumanizing them. Although I admit, I have been just as guilty by calling people "addict". Maybe instead of rejecting their concerns, we should be more sensitive to them.
I think language can actually be very powerful, so in a way I understand their complaint.
I used to volunteer with children with autism and at the time everyone used to refer to them as "he's autistic" or "she's autistic". No one thought anything of labeling them.
But now I think that people are starting to realize that people are NOT their disease. People HAVE a disease, but it is not them. So now people say "she has autism".
Take cancer for example. No one says "she's cancer". If they did, I think it would be understandable why some people would be offended. By referring to someone according to their disease, we are dehumanizing them. Although I admit, I have been just as guilty by calling people "addict". Maybe instead of rejecting their concerns, we should be more sensitive to them.
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What sticks out to me, when I read the A boards, is that-- here we are over on the F&F boards, most of us struggling to regain sanity and heal from years of chaos/abuse/selfishness/life wreckage-- and over on their boards, I don't see much acknowledgement of the damage they have caused others. Is that normal? I actually see more, "Hey don't beat yourself up, man." Sometimes I want to scream, "NO! Do you even care how your wife felt?!" I just shut it down and head back over here.
That's why it means a lot to me when a recovering alcoholic posts over here to lend support and they GET it. They acknowledge the past pain they might have caused. That does a lot to soften me from the anger.
(I don't mean to offend any Alcoholics, but I'm sure I probably did.)
That's why it means a lot to me when a recovering alcoholic posts over here to lend support and they GET it. They acknowledge the past pain they might have caused. That does a lot to soften me from the anger.
(I don't mean to offend any Alcoholics, but I'm sure I probably did.)
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Goes Like --
Joe: Hi, I am Joe, and I am an A.
Group: Hi Joe.
Reason seems to be it overcomes denial.
From what I have observed, the A's that are Actually Working The Program -- Have no problem with that.
No real comparison at all to Autistic Children, that I can find. I suppose other than Autism and Alcohol both start with A. But this is not Sesame Street, and I digress.
By referring to someone according to their disease, we are dehumanizing them.
Seems the latest PC term in Alanonese is "My Qualifier."
Per Juliet -- What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet.
or as Sour.
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What sticks out to me, when I read the A boards, is that-- here we are over on the F&F boards, most of us struggling to regain sanity and heal from years of chaos/abuse/selfishness/life wreckage-- and over on their boards, I don't see much acknowledgement of the damage they have caused others. Is that normal? I actually see more, "Hey don't beat yourself up, man." Sometimes I want to scream, "NO! Do you even care how your wife felt?!" I just shut it down and head back over here.
That's why it means a lot to me when a recovering alcoholic posts over here to lend support and they GET it. They acknowledge the past pain they might have caused. That does a lot to soften me from the anger.
(I don't mean to offend any Alcoholics, but I'm sure I probably did.)
That's why it means a lot to me when a recovering alcoholic posts over here to lend support and they GET it. They acknowledge the past pain they might have caused. That does a lot to soften me from the anger.
(I don't mean to offend any Alcoholics, but I'm sure I probably did.)
As do some non-A's.
So I would not lose any sleep over it.
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But per your observations -- the conditions of:
"Rarely says Thank You, and Never says I am Sorry."
(FIL's description of Mrs. Hammer's behavior) . . .
Dunno if you worked into the Steps, yet? All the way from 4 to 10 is ALL about what you are observing -- or more like the Total Lack of.
IF they ever work those Steps -- you would see quite a different set of behaviors.
BUT, truth is Few Do. Actually work the Steps, that is.
But as wiser voices have said -- Ye shall know a tree by its fruit.
Or as I say:
A Dog Barks,
A Cat Goes Meow,
A Cow Goes Mooo,
and
An Unrepentant A . . . . acts like an Unrepentant A.
As a good note -- once you understand that, it makes it REALLY easy to tell what you are dealing with.
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I do read the threads in the Newcomers, Alcoholism, and Substance Abuse Forums of SR because it helps me understand a small part of what it must be like to struggle with addiction in its many forms. However, I rarely post there.
I'm really sorry that you received the response you did, Iamthird. However, I do empathize with the idea of people not wanting to be labeled or reduced to an initial or set of initials. I think people are allowed to feel the way they feel--you included. In the United States where vaulted positions and organizations are reduced to acronyms (POTUS, FLOTUS, and SCOTUS), these abbreviations seem almost inevitable.
In any case, in order to avoid any further acrimony between the two communities, I think we should move along. Therefore, I'm closing the thread.
I'm really sorry that you received the response you did, Iamthird. However, I do empathize with the idea of people not wanting to be labeled or reduced to an initial or set of initials. I think people are allowed to feel the way they feel--you included. In the United States where vaulted positions and organizations are reduced to acronyms (POTUS, FLOTUS, and SCOTUS), these abbreviations seem almost inevitable.
In any case, in order to avoid any further acrimony between the two communities, I think we should move along. Therefore, I'm closing the thread.
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