Do any of you know someone who quit for a while and then could manage drinking again?
How do you measure how difficult it is for someone to quit based on whether they succeed or not? I'm not sure I agree with that particular point of view. While I would agree some people are more compulsive than others, I don't think there is a true measurement system for a person's will.
assuming that a person did go to AA and they had the power to choose if they drank or not, why would they go or need it?
not nit picking just curious.
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Dave...your assertion that people lose their power to choose is incorrect. Once physical addiction is addressed we regain our ability to choose...some will choose to drink some will not.
I no longer attend aa as it was not a lifestyle I was willing to adopt.
I no longer attend aa as it was not a lifestyle I was willing to adopt.
I do try though not to use my own experience as a yard stick to measure what I think is good or not good for others,
what I mean is because that is your experience does not make it the rule of thumb for all,
not criticizing, like I said I respect your views.
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Here the distinction - It wasn't I put a drink in my body and suddenly I'm powerless, of course that happened, but the issue is that I am powerless over the choice of whether or not I'm going to put the drink in my body.
If I had choice in the manner than there would be absolutely no reason for me to seek out help...there would be no problem. If I have a choice, how could there be a problem? In addition, I was not able to differentiate the true from the false.
Another thing, why would anyone take offense to not being an alcoholic? It isn't like being one is something highly regarded in society anyways.
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For this alcoholic I didn't simply put down the drink and go on my merry way...lol
I put down the drink and worked damn hard to make sure that I wouldn't pick it up again.
I am sorry you feel you had lost your choice but feelings aren't facts.
I'm glad you found your way Ian but many choose to take a different path...thank God the destination is the same.
I put down the drink and worked damn hard to make sure that I wouldn't pick it up again.
I am sorry you feel you had lost your choice but feelings aren't facts.
I'm glad you found your way Ian but many choose to take a different path...thank God the destination is the same.
You make it sound like some mysterious supernatural force overtook your will and forced you to ingest alcohol.
Being that I couldn't live without it, my mind craved it every second and I was so agitated without it that in order for me to feel "OK" I needed it in my body. I needed that ease and comfort to face the world...if you want to call it that. I had lost the ability in choice, I could not just say no or think through the first drink. I can not remember the pain or humilation or the last time and thus I think that this time is going to be different. That is why I lost the power of choice. If I could choose then problem solved and I sure wouldn't be on a recovery website.
I could never manage the decision to stay stopped because of the INSIDIOUS INSANITY
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I am curious as to why this issue is so important for those who choose aa as a program of recovery. Why must an alcoholic believe they are powerless? What purpose does it serve to reduce us incapable of exerting the one thing that separates us from the animals?
I am an alcoholic and I am not and never was powerless....I was incapable of making rational decisions during active addiction....but still not powerless.
I am an alcoholic and I am not and never was powerless....I was incapable of making rational decisions during active addiction....but still not powerless.
Ask any alcoholic and they will tell you that they have lost the choice in the manner. They are unable to stay away no matter how great the necessity. The only times I stayed away was when I was in an institution. I would try with all my might to not pick up but suddenly I would be there lit up again not knowing how it happened.
Being that I couldn't live without it, my mind craved it every second and I was so agitated without it that in order for me to feel "OK" I needed it in my body. I needed that ease and comfort to face the world...if you want to call it that. I had lost the ability in choice, I could not just say no or think through the first drink. I can not remember the pain or humilation or the last time and thus I think that this time is going to be different. That is why I lost the power of choice. If I could choose then problem solved and I sure wouldn't be on a recovery website.
Being that I couldn't live without it, my mind craved it every second and I was so agitated without it that in order for me to feel "OK" I needed it in my body. I needed that ease and comfort to face the world...if you want to call it that. I had lost the ability in choice, I could not just say no or think through the first drink. I can not remember the pain or humilation or the last time and thus I think that this time is going to be different. That is why I lost the power of choice. If I could choose then problem solved and I sure wouldn't be on a recovery website.
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Dave...I understand the insanity.....I drank like that...still can't believe it sometimes...the sheer desperation...so much so that I spent a lot of time thinking about how fast I had to drive into a telephone pole in order to end it. Please do not minimize my experience by quoting a "theory" that I do not subscribe to. Dr. Silkwood had an opinion...nothing more.
I am curious as to why this issue is so important for those who choose aa as a program of recovery. Why must an alcoholic believe they are powerless? What purpose does it serve to reduce us incapable of exerting the one thing that separates us from the animals?
I am an alcoholic and I am not and never was powerless....I was incapable of making rational decisions during active addiction....but still not powerless.
I am an alcoholic and I am not and never was powerless....I was incapable of making rational decisions during active addiction....but still not powerless.
It was always my choice to pick up that drink again. I would always fool myself saying I will only catch a little buzz and stop.....well my alcoholism kicked in when I would completely lose all control over my drinking despite having important stuff later that night or the next day....and get wasted drunk. The next day being like what the hell was I thinking....when I get a little bit in me....it ignites a fire inside me that yearns for more. And I would try and get more......sometimes too hard. Oh and those little surveys they have you fill out in treatment exams about your drinking.....I answered yes to like 98% of those questions as at one point in my drinking career I did just that
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I understand that this is what you believe Dave...if this is what makes your sobriety rock solid don't worry about my opinion...it has no bearing on you. However many real alcoholics like myself can and do break the obsession with human will alone and I thank God for that everyday. Your way...my way and Doorknobs way all work.
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