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Originally Posted by paul singer
that's what it says in the book..
I did not make this stuff up it's all in the littiture
if you need a copy I sugest you buy the book...I also sugest that if you want sobriety in your life you attend book meetings and not open dissusion meetings .. the success rate will be much higher
I did not make this stuff up it's all in the littiture
if you need a copy I sugest you buy the book...I also sugest that if you want sobriety in your life you attend book meetings and not open dissusion meetings .. the success rate will be much higher
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Had I been a newcomer walking into the rooms listening to this conversation I would have never come back. Who is anyone to tell me I "must" "should" "oughta", to succeed! To do otherwise is to die, horse ****!
To be told what others want for me... you must believe in God, you must do exactly as the book states, you must not attend open discussion meetings to discuss the very things that may be threatening your sobriety, nonsense all of it.
I will take what I need and leave the rest, thank you very much! I have every right to believe what I believe and I also have every right to be respected because of my beliefs as I would respect you. The only assessment I need in knowing if I'm working my program right is the fact I wake up sober each day, that's good enough for me!
To be told what others want for me... you must believe in God, you must do exactly as the book states, you must not attend open discussion meetings to discuss the very things that may be threatening your sobriety, nonsense all of it.
I will take what I need and leave the rest, thank you very much! I have every right to believe what I believe and I also have every right to be respected because of my beliefs as I would respect you. The only assessment I need in knowing if I'm working my program right is the fact I wake up sober each day, that's good enough for me!
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I have never seen a room full of people talking such nonsense.. not one of you is ready to take a suggestion and all of you have stated that you either don't believe in god or are on medication or both. AA is not what you want it to be it wes here before you. I have seen your types relaspe after relaspe. I'm just saying why do you refuse to follow directions if you feel you are an alhoholic then humbly give your self to this program. If you have other problems get the help you need eleswhere. And by all means read the book if you feel that anything I've said is too the contary.
Live and let live is fine but don't come to an AA meeting talking about your day when it has no relavance to alcoholism.
And as far as asking me to leave the open disscussion meeting that takes some big balls considering I'm the kind of person that is trying to carry a message that may save your life one day.
I've seen more real alcoholics die because they came to the rooms and ran away because they herd you talking about your day for the 10,000 time. Why not try talking about the program of recovery or is that just too much of a streatch.
Live and let live is fine but don't come to an AA meeting talking about your day when it has no relavance to alcoholism.
And as far as asking me to leave the open disscussion meeting that takes some big balls considering I'm the kind of person that is trying to carry a message that may save your life one day.
I've seen more real alcoholics die because they came to the rooms and ran away because they herd you talking about your day for the 10,000 time. Why not try talking about the program of recovery or is that just too much of a streatch.
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Originally Posted by paul singer
Why not try talking about the program of recovery or is that just too much of a streatch.
Why don't you talk about you, your alcoholism, your program, and stop worrying about the rest of us.
There's a pile of sober time listening to you here. So far, you're just using wholesale condemnation, as opposed to communication.
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CHY -WHAT YOU ARE DESCRIBING IS THE CLASSIC TWO STEP DANCE
perhaps you could benefit fdrom one of your fellow texans Chris R. hes got a very powerfull message
http://www.xa-speakers.org/pafiledb....n=file&id=1064
perhaps you could benefit fdrom one of your fellow texans Chris R. hes got a very powerfull message
http://www.xa-speakers.org/pafiledb....n=file&id=1064
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Paul
I'm a bit puzzled. Are you saying that the only people who should go to AA are those who are an alcoholic and have no other problems, and those who believe in your God?
There for the grace of god, go I. I thank my lucky stars every day that I am not an alcoholic and none more so than today.....
I'm a bit puzzled. Are you saying that the only people who should go to AA are those who are an alcoholic and have no other problems, and those who believe in your God?
There for the grace of god, go I. I thank my lucky stars every day that I am not an alcoholic and none more so than today.....
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Sorry Paul I don't two step. I most certainly don't need to alter my beliefs in order for you to be respecting of them. I don't need your approval nor your guidance Paul, but thank you for the offer. I'll do what works for me until it's not working anymore.
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Originally Posted by paul singer
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Guess what DAn I prayed and the depression was lifted I am 15 years sober and that was a long time ago.
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Science will not solve your problem only faith will..thisis the essance of a spiritual program.
Guess what DAn I prayed and the depression was lifted I am 15 years sober and that was a long time ago.
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Science will not solve your problem only faith will..thisis the essance of a spiritual program.
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Originally Posted by Chy
I will take what I need and leave the rest, thank you very much! I have every right to believe what I believe and I also have every right to be respected because of my beliefs as I would respect you. The only assessment I need in knowing if I'm working my program right is the fact I wake up sober each day, that's good enough for me!
Of course you realize with this kind of attitude you and I are assuming full responsibility for a relapse if it should occur as predicted. However, I think this is perhaps a big part of what the whole deal is supposed to be about. The following are not my words but I like them very much:
As is noted in the book, Alcoholics Anonymous, "defiance is the outstanding character of the alcoholic." The Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions take this central fact into account in presenting a program of recovery to the potential member. They place the responsibility squarely on the individual for becoming aware of and modifying their behavior. Life, in general, and active alcoholism, in particular, become the disciplinarians. For most it takes little time to come to the realization that their battle is with, and within, themselves. With great wisdom, born out of tragic experiences, Alcoholics Anonymous refuses to offer the alcoholic an opportunity to create the illusion that the problem lies anywhere other than with themselves.
It is not ours to determine where the doorways to sobriety ought to be, for we know not from which direction our fellows suffers will come. Ours is but to ensure that the doorway entrusted to our care is in its place, open to the next alcoholic wanting to gain entrance to our world of the spirit. http://www.dui.com/oldwhatsnew/Alcoh...oal.means.html
I am also quite fond of these words (again not my own):It is not ours to determine where the doorways to sobriety ought to be, for we know not from which direction our fellows suffers will come. Ours is but to ensure that the doorway entrusted to our care is in its place, open to the next alcoholic wanting to gain entrance to our world of the spirit. http://www.dui.com/oldwhatsnew/Alcoh...oal.means.html
What's the matter people?
Everybody wants the same thing, don't they?
Everybody wants a happy end
They want to see the game on Saturday
They want to be somebody's friend
Everybody wants to work for a living
Everybody wants their children warm
Everybody wants to be forgiven
They want a shelter from the storm
Look at me, I ain't your enemy
We walk on common ground
We don't need to fight each other
What we need, what we need
Solidarity
"Solidarity" - The Black Uhuru
One Love, One Heart, Jah Bless,Everybody wants the same thing, don't they?
Everybody wants a happy end
They want to see the game on Saturday
They want to be somebody's friend
Everybody wants to work for a living
Everybody wants their children warm
Everybody wants to be forgiven
They want a shelter from the storm
Look at me, I ain't your enemy
We walk on common ground
We don't need to fight each other
What we need, what we need
Solidarity
"Solidarity" - The Black Uhuru
Tony
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It is not ours to determine where the doorways to sobriety ought to be, for we know not from which direction our fellows sufferers will come. Ours is but to ensure that the doorway entrusted to our care is in its place, open to the next alcoholic wanting to gain entrance to our world of the spirit.
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Paul
It is depressing to listen to you. You represent an element in AA that refuse to get honest, yet demand the domination of their fellow alcoholic. You have no authority and mislead and deceive yourself and others over the content and intention of AA.
You have been expressing your personal views, not AA's.
It is depressing to listen to you. You represent an element in AA that refuse to get honest, yet demand the domination of their fellow alcoholic. You have no authority and mislead and deceive yourself and others over the content and intention of AA.
You have been expressing your personal views, not AA's.
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Originally Posted by paul singer
I have never seen a room full of people talking such nonsense.. not one of you is ready to take a suggestion and all of you have stated that you either don't believe in god or are on medication or both. AA is not what you want it to be it wes here before you. I have seen your types relaspe after relaspe. I'm just saying why do you refuse to follow directions if you feel you are an alhoholic then humbly give your self to this program. If you have other problems get the help you need eleswhere. And by all means read the book if you feel that anything I've said is too the contary.
Live and let live is fine but don't come to an AA meeting talking about your day when it has no relavance to alcoholism.
And as far as asking me to leave the open disscussion meeting that takes some big balls considering I'm the kind of person that is trying to carry a message that may save your life one day.
I've seen more real alcoholics die because they came to the rooms and ran away because they herd you talking about your day for the 10,000 time. Why not try talking about the program of recovery or is that just too much of a streatch.
Live and let live is fine but don't come to an AA meeting talking about your day when it has no relavance to alcoholism.
And as far as asking me to leave the open disscussion meeting that takes some big balls considering I'm the kind of person that is trying to carry a message that may save your life one day.
I've seen more real alcoholics die because they came to the rooms and ran away because they herd you talking about your day for the 10,000 time. Why not try talking about the program of recovery or is that just too much of a streatch.
And what is a "real" alcoholic? Are there "fake" alcoholics? Who'd wanna fake that? Follow your directions? I'll pass on the punch...
Doorknob
"Who'd wanna fake that"
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Andy how many more will have to die for you to be happy how many more alcoholics will walk through that door and listen as you spread the disease.
My message is straight from the book..
I can see how that would depress you.
may I suggest a 90 commitment to prayer an service commitment
My message is straight from the book..
I can see how that would depress you.
may I suggest a 90 commitment to prayer an service commitment
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fake alcoholics are the ones who go to AA instead of NA because there are too many blacks in NA. They also support diversity just not in there own back yard. Fake acoholics are people who read how it works and argue it in the same vain you are now
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