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Originally Posted by Rolf 
Just wanted to see if I finally logged on correctly and whatnot. I'm coming up on 3 years sober and life has never been better. I'm of the opinion that ultimately alcoholism/addiction is a choice and that the solution to overcoming this retched condition lies not in declaring that you are powerless but by embracing free-will and the responsiblity and ability to chart your own reality. This certainly goes against turning your WILL and your LIFE over to anybody or anything. That whole idea always felt intuitively wrong. I've learned to trust my intuition because in this case, it was dead on :-)
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Hi Freshstart, that locus thing was really interesting, thats why this site is so good, everyone gets to share their opinion. here is a link to the test if anyone else is interested. i scored a 4 , low meaning i am internal, not external. the idea of saying i was powerless over alcohol never appealed to me either.
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Hey Lady in BC. Yeah, I've internally debated the disease thing internally for a long time. There is no denying that years of alcohol abuse alters you neurology, etc... And I also believe that gentetically speaking, some people have a much greater predisposition towards addiction than others. But really, at the end of the day, for those who suffer from it, does it really matter? Even if it is a disease, it would be one of the only ones that you could choose to have disappear. That's where the choice part comes in.....
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Originally Posted by Rolf
Hey Lady in BC. Yeah, I've internally debated the disease thing internally for a long time. There is no denying that years of alcohol abuse alters you neurology, etc... And I also believe that gentetically speaking, some people have a much greater predisposition towards addiction than others. But really, at the end of the day, for those who suffer from it, does it really matter? Even if it is a disease, it would be one of the only ones that you could choose to have disappear. That's where the choice part comes in.....
And you're right at the end of the day it really doesn't matter. I think us who do suffer from it just want the pain and the craziness to end!
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Originally Posted by Rolf
Hi Sugarbear,
Whether you turn your life over to God, the AA group (which is many member's higher power) or any other higher power, you are still surrendering your WILL. That is the definition of being POWERLESS. As far as everything happens for a reason. That's very romantic but sometimes YOU are the reason that some things happen. Other times things just happen because....
Whether you turn your life over to God, the AA group (which is many member's higher power) or any other higher power, you are still surrendering your WILL. That is the definition of being POWERLESS. As far as everything happens for a reason. That's very romantic but sometimes YOU are the reason that some things happen. Other times things just happen because....
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There is clearly more than one way up the mountain - and more than one way for each of us to plan our individual ascent. 
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I wasn't aware of that dee, thanks making the rules known. Not being cheeky, just curious as to why that's a rule ? Or is it just for the newcomers forum ?
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