Lonewolf22

What for wiscsober?

Lonewolf22

Yes I did see the effects it can have on liver but it seems them results only occur when a user is giving too high a dose and from what I've read to believe, is that they don't administer it in such high dose anymore. Also the user has to report and be monitored be a nurse regularly.

But I will look into the other drug though cheers.

Cappy76

Society is half the problem but we mustn't blame it and use it as an excuse, we are the problem. We are the joke.
There is those of us born into this world who are a little more sensitive than others, we know things, we see things for what they really are more than some others.
And it upsets us that we can't change them. So we punish ourselves with suffering.
Many alcoholics can stop easily in their early years, but refuse to accept what they are what they will become.
They don't want to stop.
We are constantly trying to figure out how to make the world better instead of how to make ourselves better.
And by making ourselves better we actually make the world better.
Strange stuff.

Cappy76

But it is a chain, you are putting yourself in chains. This may work for a while but you can't take it forever one day the chains will come off.

Lonewolf22

I tend to feel this way too. Funny you should say this because I was standing out the back and daydreaming about backpacking and what sort of emotions would build up on the way. I thought of the regrets I have, the fear of people seeing me for the wretched person I am as a drunk. I thought of standing at the top of a mountain and just screaming out the anger and frustrations from the depth of my gut.
I was thinking from a young age, I always just want to do good in the world and somewhere along the line I got lost and felt I just got trampled on by others and their mean ways.
Now I'm just figuring out whether that is a justified position to maintain or maybe I wasn't such as nice a person as I thought. I remember Bukowski saying in one of his books, he felt like other people had some secret that he didn't know of, as they seem to talk, get by and survive in a way he didn't know how to. This I can relate to alot.

Yes, defintely... well I don't think there is anything wrong with blaming, I think that is just a way of trying to determine cause and effect of how one feels. Yet, it can be destructive and defeatist if used as an excuse or not reconciled with.

Lonewolf22

I don't know, maybe we are all in chains of some sort. Yet, it has to be a better chain than this one surely even if just a temporary one.

August252015

Glad you are here and sober, Lonewolf.

I've contributed elsewhere re the drug topic, so I will just say that I took Antabuse the first 90 days with success as it was just one tool and not a program for sobriety; I took acamprosate (campral) until about a month ago, as maintenance and never had a single physical craving for alcohol (I am going on 23 mo sober now). Drugs are just well-used, correctly followed additions to my foundation of AA and other tools for recovery.

Stay with us Lonewolf! Life is not easy at all times, hence sobriety is not always that way - but it is more than worth it.

Lonewolf22

Thank you August that is very encouraging and fills me with optimism that I need right now. My plan is definitely to not rely on it but to use as a preventative so that my fear of picking up a drink doesn't get in the way of going to the recovery centre and smart meetings. My cravings are through the roof at times today but I'm being practical. I've been considering taking the dog out today and going for long walk but at the moment not sure it is wise.

Cappy76

Interesting, so no side effects of acamprosate? Antabuse is a chain though I totally disagree with it you have to want sobriety not need it or be forced into it.

Lonewolf22

I think you are missing the point Cappy. No one is forcing people to take it, in fact it seems quite the opposite. I have to prove I am willing to stick to the support at the recovery centre before they put me on it. The reason people find it useful is that they feel they have no control over them instant bouts of intense craving, not initially anyway.
It would be pointless taking any medication if you didn't want to stop drinking.

If I don't have that preventative measure it will only be a matter of time, the way I feel at the moment, before I become impulsive and pick up a drink. It is an accumulation of such intense feelings that for me, leave me very susceptible to drinking again. I really don't want that but my body does badly.

Cappy76

Yes but you are choosing to take something that prevents you from drinking. This is no different than prohibition which didn't work and actually made people drink more. Its like getting locked in an asylum or jail to prevent yourself from having access.

Lonewolf22

Well if it was enforced on people I agree but I've took enough punishment from alcohol that this seems really minor to me. I'm stuck in a prison now that I can't get out of.

Cappy76

Nah you are not getting me im not saying someone is forcing you to take it. But you are forcing yourself to take it, which isn't entirely wanting to stop drinking. You get me? You can get out of that prison many have but they didn't get out by putting themselves in prison.

Cappy76

Alcohol is not punishing you, you are punishing you.

Lonewolf22

The difference in opinion is basically that you believe we have complete control over what we do and I believe we don't. So on that note we aren't going to agree lol
If that works for you great but I have held that view before and I was battered left, right and centre.

Cappy76

No mate, I believe we have absolutely no control over alcohol at all.
This has been proven both scientifically and psychologically.