Using Marijuana instead of drinking.
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Freefrom, big congratulations on 3 days! It's good that you're aware of the connection all of these substances can cause for you.
For the rest of the conversation, where it applies, NA says abstinence from all mood and mind altering drugs. If staying away from them helps to prevent relapse (and it does), that's the road to take. I don't know why any recovering addict would want to put themselves into riskier positions through another drug. Abstaining is safer than not abstaining.
For the rest of the conversation, where it applies, NA says abstinence from all mood and mind altering drugs. If staying away from them helps to prevent relapse (and it does), that's the road to take. I don't know why any recovering addict would want to put themselves into riskier positions through another drug. Abstaining is safer than not abstaining.
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Originally Posted by marvelgirl 
I know most people are going to say pot is bad, but (in my opinion only) in times I've had to go without drugs, it's helped me immensely.
That ain't going without drugs. No clarification required.
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I don't encourage anyone to use pot, but like marvelgirl I've had moments where I'm craving an opiate or alcohol and after smoking a little reefer I feel better. Yes its bad for your lungs if you smoke it, but so are cigs.
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Originally Posted by Trippstar
I enjoy waking up sober its great 
Theres just seems too be a massive void left from the no drinking no more.
Theres just seems too be a massive void left from the no drinking no more.
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Originally Posted by Eroica
I don't encourage anyone to use pot, but like marvelgirl I've had moments where I'm craving an opiate or alcohol and after smoking a little reefer I feel better. Yes its bad for your lungs if you smoke it, but so are cigs.
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Originally Posted by freefromdrugs09
i have a questions...does recovering consist of stopping everything in its track.....or should you slow it down to maybe once a week or maybe just on the weekends?
NOT using drugs and alcohol, and finding other, constructive (perhaps spiritual) ways to fill that void is generally defined as recovery.
We have people here who stopped using opiates but continue to drink to excess or smoke pot and call themselves "recovering". They're not. They simply stopped using one drug and are substituting another. If that works, cool. It just ain't recovery. It's abstinence from one drug. End of story.
One can't simply redefine terms because it suits his need.
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freefromdrugs09, why don't you follow your name, and get free from drugs in '09? Get yourself to an NA meeting. The questions you have will all be answered there. There is nothing to fear. I promise you that life is infinitely better without drugs and alcohol. I never would have believed that a year ago. But it's true. Just go to a meeting. And stick around after to chat with some people. Let them know what's going on with you.
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I have a friend that went from shooting heroin to smoking weed. I never said anything (or very little) because smoking weed is safer than shooting heroin.
BUT, although the swap was safer in regards to contracting HIV or HEP C or both via IVing heroin, smoking weed (as Bear and others have said) isn't recovery.
At least not the recovery that I and others hope for. That is the ability and privilege to work on ourselves in a non numbed fashion, to face life head on, to work on ridding ourselves of years of resentment and fear and anger, the sort of things that drive us back to the same old place, over and over again.
It just seems to me that for addicts, taking a break (once a week, everyday or whatever) with ______ ,is to miss out on a oppritunity of a life time.
For once being drug free and having a relationship with our HP.
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BUT, although the swap was safer in regards to contracting HIV or HEP C or both via IVing heroin, smoking weed (as Bear and others have said) isn't recovery.
At least not the recovery that I and others hope for. That is the ability and privilege to work on ourselves in a non numbed fashion, to face life head on, to work on ridding ourselves of years of resentment and fear and anger, the sort of things that drive us back to the same old place, over and over again.
It just seems to me that for addicts, taking a break (once a week, everyday or whatever) with ______ ,is to miss out on a oppritunity of a life time.
For once being drug free and having a relationship with our HP.
Joe
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RE Frmrlystgbr: Yes, weed is a drug, but if I'm craving h and it alleviates that craving, I'm going to use it. Advil is a drug too and I'm going to use that to alleviate my headache. It's just hard to see weed as a "drug" when I'm used to shooting dope all day. And like I said, it all depends on how YOU use it and how it affects YOU.
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Originally Posted by vicodaniel
Lately, It seems whatever I say stirs up controversy, but here goes.No Medical test that I know of has ever established that Marijuana is harmful.
When I poke smot, it leads me back to booze. If you can smoke weed and stay away from booze on your own power, you're not an alcoholic. So we're different right there. But be careful. See that you can stay away from booze for a good while. Like a year or more.
Now, when I'm smoking weed, I run out and want more. Where am I gonna get it? Oh, I have to buy it. From a dealer usually. Or some scumbag "friend" who I wouldn't normally hang out with. In my state, it is illegal at the Fed, State, and/or local level. Then I smoke some more and I don't get the same buzz. At first, I got high. Now I just get stoned. But 3 hours latter, I need more. And I just get groggy and irritable... but I also have a really hard time quitting.
It's a rippoff drug for me and it ain't cheap. Especially for the good stuff. That Humboldt County Skunk ain't for sale at the local Smoker Friendly shop, is it? I hear it costs about $400.00/ quarter Oh Zee now. This true?
What a ripoff. I'd rather just drink.
Oh yeah, and the whole spiritual thing goes out the window.
Good luck with that. How's that workin'?
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Did the weed thing when quitting drinking was my short term goal at that time. Smoked pot before and after quitting drinking. Then when the goal shifted to the long term goal of living a truly sober life free from addiction, pot no longer fit in that equation and it's been out of my life for 49 days today, and I'm not even gonna lie, I DO NOT miss it one bit, and I'm glad it's in my past. I hope to keep it there.
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Originally Posted by emmer
At least not the recovery that I and others hope for. That is the ability and privilege to work on ourselves in a non numbed fashion, to face life head on, to work on ridding ourselves of years of resentment and fear and anger, the sort of things that drive us back to the same old place, over and over again.
...For once being drug free and having a relationship with our HP.
Joe
As for facing life head in a non numbed fashion, perhaps you're right. Btw, are you ever numbed from thinking about your HP? In many cultures religious experiences are described like drug trips. I know when I see people praying they sometimes look like they're in a state of ecstacy.
And about filling the void with God, how can you if you don't believe in one? Seriously... You can't entertain the possibility of HP if you know for sure that there isn't one.
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Originally Posted by marvelgirl
RE Frmrlystgbr: Yes, weed is a drug, but if I'm craving h and it alleviates that craving, I'm going to use it. Advil is a drug too and I'm going to use that to alleviate my headache. It's just hard to see weed as a "drug" when I'm used to shooting dope all day. And like I said, it all depends on how YOU use it and how it affects YOU.
It's a drug.
Admit it, own it, move on.
Oh, and the Advil thing? Nice try.
Have a nice day.
(Cause I was accused of never being nice.)
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Originally Posted by Eroica
And about filling the void with God, how can you if you don't believe in one? Seriously... You can't entertain the possibility of HP if you know for sure that there isn't one.
Your posts reflect, if not anger, then resentment. Resentments kept me using.
I don't believe in a God, don't need to. I still follow the 12 steps. You already know there are ways to do it without a God belief.
Using pot is actively using drugs. That's not recovery, no matter how anyone tries to stretch it. I can call myself, oh...I don't know...purple, if it makes me feel better about what I'm doing. But it sure as hell don't make me purple.
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As for facing life head in a non numbed fashion, perhaps you're right. Btw, are you ever numbed from thinking about your HP? In many cultures religious experiences are described like drug trips. I know when I see people praying they sometimes look like they're in a state of ecstacy.
And about filling the void with God, how can you if you don't believe in one? Seriously... You can't entertain the possibility of HP if you know for sure that there isn't one.
And about filling the void with God, how can you if you don't believe in one? Seriously... You can't entertain the possibility of HP if you know for sure that there isn't one.
He's doing it
That's the bottom line.
I hope you find something that works for you too Eroica.
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People use suboxone as maintenance. People use methadone as maintenance. I see nothing wrong with using weed as maintenance. Lots of sick people use it as medicine. If it weren't illegal in most places we prolly wouldn't be having this silly conversation. As for baiting the God people....Nietzsche started it. It's his fault. Stupid Nietzsche.
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Okkay. I can't believe I get into this crap.
Pot is nearly always self administered...it's self-medication. No Docs involved.
And that makes it different to how people get their subs or methadone (most of em anyway - at least the ones I know).
Its a specious argument.
Self medication is like putting Cookie Monster in charge of the cookie jar. That was my experience anyway - 20 year study.
Not the best idea, as a general rule of thumb.
And I think that's the responsible message to put out on a recovery board.
peace out - good night Mrs Calabash...
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Pot is nearly always self administered...it's self-medication. No Docs involved.
And that makes it different to how people get their subs or methadone (most of em anyway - at least the ones I know).
Its a specious argument.
Self medication is like putting Cookie Monster in charge of the cookie jar. That was my experience anyway - 20 year study.
Not the best idea, as a general rule of thumb.
And I think that's the responsible message to put out on a recovery board.
peace out - good night Mrs Calabash...
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