Using Marijuana instead of drinking.
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i dont know how many times i really have to keep repeating this...........the girl already said she made up her mind and was GOING to use marijuana during her detox period.
Like Eroica said, by your logic should we not educate people on STDs and sex in general because they are set in their way to have pre-martial sex?? should we just bash and belittle them because of their choice and leave them uneducated on the subject??
i bet you would love that...seems right up your ally with your type of attitude
work your program, concentrate on yourself, and stop taking everybody elses inventory. Keep your side of the street clean, I will pray for you
Like Eroica said, by your logic should we not educate people on STDs and sex in general because they are set in their way to have pre-martial sex?? should we just bash and belittle them because of their choice and leave them uneducated on the subject??
i bet you would love that...seems right up your ally with your type of attitude
Originally Posted by ex D-Boy 
work your program, concentrate on yourself, and stop taking everybody elses inventory. Keep your side of the street clean, I will pray for you
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Originally Posted by ex D-Boy
but yes kj, if you read my posts you will see me just presenting several different options as well as opinons (clearly stating that switching or using other drugs DID NOT work for me) . Also acknowledging the possible negatives from this girl using marijuana as well as possible benefits that could happen.'
If that isnt openmindedness and humility than i have nooo idea what is ;\
If that isnt openmindedness and humility than i have nooo idea what is ;\
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Originally Posted by Eroica
Anyway.. back to the thread. Shunning an alcoholic/addict because he's smoking pot is like preventing the distribution of condoms because you don't believe in pre-marital sex. People will still have sex. Reasonable people work with others and adopt a harm reduction approach. If someone is going to have to use drugs, better it be pot than heroin, right?
I know it's not nice when w jump on other people, but we're dealing with LIFE OR DEATH situations here and when a person asks a question, we should be as UPFRONT and HONEST as possible.
No trying to be nice or telling them if it works, or telling them to go for it and if it doesn't work, they'll learn a lesson, whatever.
You can't be nice or sugarcoat things when your life is on the line.
If it DID work for you, share it. But I think most people, substituting only led to one of several places. JAILS. INSTITUTIONS. THE STREETS (using). DEATH.
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However, not all people are like the two of us when it comes to putting substances in their body.
Addicts are like me in one respect, we cannot use drug replacement therapy. They have doctors that will help people taper off opiates, a weed dealer is not one of them.
Anyway.. back to the thread. Shunning an alcoholic/addict because he's smoking pot is like preventing the distribution of condoms because you don't believe in pre-marital sex. People will still have sex. Reasonable people work with others and adopt a harm reduction approach. If someone is going to have to use drugs, better it be pot than heroin, right?
Nastysteve???? You can do better than claim it is a typo???? YOu ain't the first person to find me nasty, but I think I am alright
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actually bro it really was a typo....anybody on here who knows me will vouch that i dont make fun or call names (even when it is being done to me)
I agree with basically all the things you have said as you see from my posts, so why would i call you a name in the same post :\ your a good guy and it shows that you work a good program unlike some other people on this thread
i am also refraining from posting and adding more fuel to this pointless topic, but i really dont want you to think i was talkin sh1t or anything to ya cus i truly wasnt man.
I agree with basically all the things you have said as you see from my posts, so why would i call you a name in the same post :\ your a good guy and it shows that you work a good program unlike some other people on this thread
i am also refraining from posting and adding more fuel to this pointless topic, but i really dont want you to think i was talkin sh1t or anything to ya cus i truly wasnt man.
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Originally Posted by ex D-Boy
If the marijuana is helping her (like she says) why take it away from her?? So that she can start going insane with the fiending and dopesickness and end up caving (like she has said she has done so many times in the past ) and end up using heroin again , and like you say , possibly die and not come back? Are you advocating that?? is that a better decision than using pot every once in a while to ease her anxiousness and depression??
Take this for a simple analogy. Lets say somebody comes to the rooms of GA (gamblers annonymous) with a serious problem, they cannot stop going to AC or vegas and spending days at the cra.ps tables gambling thousands and thousands of $$. Now this person tries to simply quit all types of gambling but always seems to end up coming back to the casino. (Obviously this method is not working for said addict true?) So they come up with an idea to play a 2$ scratch off twice a week. This seems to calm the person and keep them from putting the deed to their house up at the casino like they had done in the past.
Results :: playing the 2$ scratch off twice a week keeps the addict from going into detrimental terrirtory of trying to stop all forms of gambling and continually failing and ending up in serious financial troulbe, not only hurting themselves but others around them who care and love that individual.
Would you tell that person that what they are doing is wrong and they should just keep trying to abstain from all types of gambling when they have already proven that they are not able to do that?? Seems very illogical to me...
and as for the physical dependence vs mental addiction...that was my whole point, perhaps she is only hooked because of the physical withdrawal and not actually addicted to the heroin, in which case, once her detox and dopesickness faded away...her problems would indeed be solved, because she is not an addict. So if that was the case and the reason she kept running back to the dope was because of uncomfortable feelings // sickness than smoking pot may be beneifical to her.
These werent my own experiences with heroin but the human mind is complex and unique, and as we all know, there is not any clear cut formula to staying clean ;\
Take this for a simple analogy. Lets say somebody comes to the rooms of GA (gamblers annonymous) with a serious problem, they cannot stop going to AC or vegas and spending days at the cra.ps tables gambling thousands and thousands of $$. Now this person tries to simply quit all types of gambling but always seems to end up coming back to the casino. (Obviously this method is not working for said addict true?) So they come up with an idea to play a 2$ scratch off twice a week. This seems to calm the person and keep them from putting the deed to their house up at the casino like they had done in the past.
Results :: playing the 2$ scratch off twice a week keeps the addict from going into detrimental terrirtory of trying to stop all forms of gambling and continually failing and ending up in serious financial troulbe, not only hurting themselves but others around them who care and love that individual.
Would you tell that person that what they are doing is wrong and they should just keep trying to abstain from all types of gambling when they have already proven that they are not able to do that?? Seems very illogical to me...
and as for the physical dependence vs mental addiction...that was my whole point, perhaps she is only hooked because of the physical withdrawal and not actually addicted to the heroin, in which case, once her detox and dopesickness faded away...her problems would indeed be solved, because she is not an addict. So if that was the case and the reason she kept running back to the dope was because of uncomfortable feelings // sickness than smoking pot may be beneifical to her.
These werent my own experiences with heroin but the human mind is complex and unique, and as we all know, there is not any clear cut formula to staying clean ;\
And Penny, the comparison is not far-fetched at all. You'd be very surprised to find out how many gambling addicts blew their heads off because they were unable to see a way out. When I was full blown and saw no way out and was using everything to try and get out of myself, suicide seemed very appealing. Luckily all I could do was take subtle attempts in hopes that I didn't outright put a gun to my head and the attempts didn't not work thankfully.
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ian
When ya put it that way...you're right. But my original post was concerning about saying that it's o.k. to use weed as a means to detox off of heroin. And at the time, comparing gambling to drugs was like comparing apples to oranges.
Glad you're still around
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When ya put it that way...you're right. But my original post was concerning about saying that it's o.k. to use weed as a means to detox off of heroin. And at the time, comparing gambling to drugs was like comparing apples to oranges.
Glad you're still around
C4P
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Originally Posted by change4penny
ian
When ya put it that way...you're right. But my original post was concerning about saying that it's o.k. to use weed as a means to detox off of heroin. And at the time, comparing gambling to drugs was like comparing apples to oranges.
Glad you're still around
C4P
When ya put it that way...you're right. But my original post was concerning about saying that it's o.k. to use weed as a means to detox off of heroin. And at the time, comparing gambling to drugs was like comparing apples to oranges.
Glad you're still around
C4P
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thanks for steppin in ian i appreciate it 
i gave up trying to reason and explain , it just doesnt work with some people.
ill be in the chat in a few mins, hope your in there , ttys buddy
i gave up trying to reason and explain , it just doesnt work with some people.ill be in the chat in a few mins, hope your in there , ttys buddy
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people still yammerin about the evil devil's weed i see. i'm LOLin. just got back from the bahamas and every single taxi driver asked me if i wanted hookers, blow, weed, and cuban cigars. i was like no, no, no, and no. i did eat some excellent conch salad.
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I see it like this, pretty simple ...
Being totally clean and sober > Only smoking weed > Being strung out on opioids
And any specific opinion I might give would be informed by that 'equation'.
And I'd also add that getting high in any way is dangerous for addicts.
If you are trying to recover from active addiction, the worst thing is for you to 'do' your drug of choice, the one you are specifically most addicted to.
The next worst thing is to get high on something else in its stead, and there's a lot of reasons why it's a bad idea, most of them I'm sure are mentioned by others above, so I won't repeat them, but most likely, I do agree with them.
And lastly, the only sure-fire way to avoid returning to active addiction is simple:
You have to avoid picking up and using ONE DRUG.
That drug being ... the next one.
Being totally clean and sober > Only smoking weed > Being strung out on opioids
And any specific opinion I might give would be informed by that 'equation'.
And I'd also add that getting high in any way is dangerous for addicts.
If you are trying to recover from active addiction, the worst thing is for you to 'do' your drug of choice, the one you are specifically most addicted to.
The next worst thing is to get high on something else in its stead, and there's a lot of reasons why it's a bad idea, most of them I'm sure are mentioned by others above, so I won't repeat them, but most likely, I do agree with them.
And lastly, the only sure-fire way to avoid returning to active addiction is simple:
You have to avoid picking up and using ONE DRUG.
That drug being ... the next one.
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Don't even know what to say.....if this same topic hasn't been beaten all to hell before, I don't know what has, and these threads do ever stay the course either. Recovery isn't about switching one for another, and a recovery web site isn't the place to go to get people to say it's ok, which BTW, if you gotta ask, you very likely already know the answer. Any of us can quit one thing, by doing another, and most of us have at some point, and how long did it last, or how long was it before we had to switch again?
Could it be at all possible that there are people here who want very much to quit it all and rebuild whatever they have left of their life? Could it be at all possible that some people just can't walk on the fence?
The best way to quit, and start recovery, is to quit and start recovery. And there are a lot of different ways to do that, and that's what we do here (or try to anyway). If you're using some one thing instead of another, then you haven't quit, and you're not in recovery. If you're really an addict, then you're just doing what addict's do. Using.
This particular Forum exists as another alternative for folks who really want to quit using, and are looking for 12 Step Alternatives. It does not exist for laying out ways and means to use one drug successfully in place of another. Maybe the forum title, "Substance Abuse" it's following description is misleading, and that's where the confusion lies....if that's the case, I apologize for that (since the title's are up to us) and promise to take another look at it and see what we can do to change that.
Could it be at all possible that there are people here who want very much to quit it all and rebuild whatever they have left of their life? Could it be at all possible that some people just can't walk on the fence?
The best way to quit, and start recovery, is to quit and start recovery. And there are a lot of different ways to do that, and that's what we do here (or try to anyway). If you're using some one thing instead of another, then you haven't quit, and you're not in recovery. If you're really an addict, then you're just doing what addict's do. Using.
This particular Forum exists as another alternative for folks who really want to quit using, and are looking for 12 Step Alternatives. It does not exist for laying out ways and means to use one drug successfully in place of another. Maybe the forum title, "Substance Abuse" it's following description is misleading, and that's where the confusion lies....if that's the case, I apologize for that (since the title's are up to us) and promise to take another look at it and see what we can do to change that.
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