Elders Meditation September 19
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Elders Meditation September 19
"I am building myself. There are many roots. I plant, I pick, I prune. I consume."
--Wendy Rose, HOPI/MIWOK
The most sacred thing on this Mother Earth is life. My life on this earth is governed by God's laws, principles and spiritual values. These things are my roots. Let me see Your gifts of growing and becoming a spiritual warrior. Make my strength based on values - spiritual values; on principles and laws, the laws of God that really run the universe. We need to realize the seeds we plant in the spring will be what shows up in our summer season of growth and will be the fruits that we will harvest in our fall season. We really have a lot to do with what shows up in our lives.
Great Spirit, let my seed that I plant today be based on values that will make You pleased with my selection.
--Wendy Rose, HOPI/MIWOK
The most sacred thing on this Mother Earth is life. My life on this earth is governed by God's laws, principles and spiritual values. These things are my roots. Let me see Your gifts of growing and becoming a spiritual warrior. Make my strength based on values - spiritual values; on principles and laws, the laws of God that really run the universe. We need to realize the seeds we plant in the spring will be what shows up in our summer season of growth and will be the fruits that we will harvest in our fall season. We really have a lot to do with what shows up in our lives.
Great Spirit, let my seed that I plant today be based on values that will make You pleased with my selection.
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Originally Posted by Gabe
We really have a lot to do with what shows up in our lives.
The past year and a half has taught me that if you believe in your dream, that belief will make it come true.
I believe our dreams are written in the stars.
And that it's the strength of our wishes that brings them to life.
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"We need to realize the seeds we plant in the spring will be what shows up in our summer season of growth and will be the fruits that we will harvest in our fall season. We really have a lot to do with what shows up in our lives.
Great Spirit, let my seed that I plant today be based on values that will make You pleased with my selection."
I have some grave concerns here, although once, I would have whole heartedly agreed.
But, does this statement mean that I sowed the seeds of my son's addiction? Or any of us, with our poor fortune?
Does it mean that G*D is not pleased with my selection? Selection of what?
I just see the same thing here as I do when someone says, "The apple doesn't fall far from the tree."
When our children are honor roll students, or some other positive, it is natural that we want to claim ownership of that outcome. When they are not....
I'm afraid I have serious issues with this meditation. Just my thoughts...
Shalom!
Great Spirit, let my seed that I plant today be based on values that will make You pleased with my selection."
I have some grave concerns here, although once, I would have whole heartedly agreed.
But, does this statement mean that I sowed the seeds of my son's addiction? Or any of us, with our poor fortune?
Does it mean that G*D is not pleased with my selection? Selection of what?
I just see the same thing here as I do when someone says, "The apple doesn't fall far from the tree."
When our children are honor roll students, or some other positive, it is natural that we want to claim ownership of that outcome. When they are not....
I'm afraid I have serious issues with this meditation. Just my thoughts...
Shalom!
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Just my thoughts Teach...
The seeds you sow, are the seeds you sow.
The seeds your son sows, are the seeds he sows.
We are not responsible for the success or hardships of our children.
All we can do is lay a good foundation for them.
Where they go from there is up to them.
And should they succeed or fall, that is because of the actions they took, not anything we did or do as parents.
As for God, I believe He is always pleased with us, no matter what we do.
I don't think He's in the business of doling out anything but love, mercy and forgiveness.
All we have to do is ask for those things.
Again, just my thoughts.
The seeds you sow, are the seeds you sow.
The seeds your son sows, are the seeds he sows.
We are not responsible for the success or hardships of our children.
All we can do is lay a good foundation for them.
Where they go from there is up to them.
And should they succeed or fall, that is because of the actions they took, not anything we did or do as parents.
As for God, I believe He is always pleased with us, no matter what we do.
I don't think He's in the business of doling out anything but love, mercy and forgiveness.
All we have to do is ask for those things.
Again, just my thoughts.
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Quote: "the seeds we sow" That tells me to think about "me".
I am so detached, I could not of connected this to my daughter if I tried, except I guess to say I did sow a beautiful seed, and after that her growth is from the seeds that she sows.
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I am so detached, I could not of connected this to my daughter if I tried, except I guess to say I did sow a beautiful seed, and after that her growth is from the seeds that she sows.
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The only thing about my children I can rightly claim ownership to is half their DNA.
Their successes, failures, joys and sorrows are all theirs; now, at their young age, when the most important thing their mother and I can do is give them the room to find their own voice. And later, as teenagers and adults.
My hope is that they will have been given enough opportunity to explore themselves now and discover an ultimate purpose for their lives then.
Their successes, failures, joys and sorrows are all theirs; now, at their young age, when the most important thing their mother and I can do is give them the room to find their own voice. And later, as teenagers and adults.
My hope is that they will have been given enough opportunity to explore themselves now and discover an ultimate purpose for their lives then.
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...at their young age, when the most important thing their mother...
I've loved many of these meditations. I am just not buying this one. Just me.
I appreciate the thoughts proffered...
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Teach, if you're going to quote me, please do it in context.
Let's not do the whole who suffers more, the dad or the mom, thing again.
I can surely see how this meditation might suggest that as parents, we are often expected to own responsibility for our childrens behaviors. That's one way of reading it.
I can also read it in a way thay has nothing to do with my parenthood, but all to do with my earthly journey as a singular human being.
Let's not do the whole who suffers more, the dad or the mom, thing again.
I can surely see how this meditation might suggest that as parents, we are often expected to own responsibility for our childrens behaviors. That's one way of reading it.
I can also read it in a way thay has nothing to do with my parenthood, but all to do with my earthly journey as a singular human being.
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Let's not do the whole who suffers more, the dad or the mom, thing again.
The seeds we sow has long been a metaphore for our children. Perhaps this one was not meant to be....
But, whether it is mom or dad, we are effected by our children's addiction. It is a part of our life. Anyone who says they do not suffer as a result is lying or is in deep denial.
That's not to say that we cannot go on, and indeed, even find happiness. But, our child's addiction is a part of our life.
We really have a lot to do with what shows up in our lives.
Detachment is possible. Detachment with love is the best outcome. But, my son is still a part of my life - addiction and all.
It is not my intent to argue. These are my thoughts on this meditation.
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Let's call the whole thing off.
Ira Gershwin
Things have come to a pretty pass
Our romance is growing flat,
For you like this and the other
While I go for this and that,
Goodness knows what the end will be
Oh I don't know where I'm at
It looks as if we two will never be one
Something must be done:
You say either and I say either,
You say neither and I say neither
Either, either Neither, neither
Let's call the whole thing off.
You like potato and I like potahto
You like tomato and I like tomahto
Potato, potahto, Tomato, tomahto.
Let's call the whole thing off
But oh, if we call the whole thing off
Then we must part
And oh, if we ever part, then that might break my heart
So if you like pyjamas and I like pyjahmas,
I'll wear pyjamas and give up pyajahmas
For we know we need each other so we
Better call the whole thing off
Let's call the whole thing off.
You say laughter and I say larfter
You say after and I say arfter
Laughter, larfter after arfter
Let's call the whole thing off,
You like vanilla and I like vanella
You saspiralla, and I saspirella
Vanilla vanella chocolate strawberry
Let's call the whole thing off
But oh if we call the whole thing of then we must part
And oh, if we ever part, then that might break my heart
So if you go for oysters and I go for ersters
I'll order oysters and cancel the ersters
For we know we need each other so we
Better call the calling off off,
Let's call the whole thing off.
I say father, and you say pater,
I saw mother and you say mater
Pater, mater Uncle, auntie let's call the whole thing off.
I like bananas and you like banahnahs
I say Havana and I get Havahnah
Bananas, banahnahs Havana, Havahnah
Go your way, I'll go mine
So if I go for scallops and you go for lobsters,
So all right no contest we'll order lobster
For we know we need each other so we
Better call the calling off off,
Let's call the whole thing off.
Ira Gershwin
Things have come to a pretty pass
Our romance is growing flat,
For you like this and the other
While I go for this and that,
Goodness knows what the end will be
Oh I don't know where I'm at
It looks as if we two will never be one
Something must be done:
You say either and I say either,
You say neither and I say neither
Either, either Neither, neither
Let's call the whole thing off.
You like potato and I like potahto
You like tomato and I like tomahto
Potato, potahto, Tomato, tomahto.
Let's call the whole thing off
But oh, if we call the whole thing off
Then we must part
And oh, if we ever part, then that might break my heart
So if you like pyjamas and I like pyjahmas,
I'll wear pyjamas and give up pyajahmas
For we know we need each other so we
Better call the whole thing off
Let's call the whole thing off.
You say laughter and I say larfter
You say after and I say arfter
Laughter, larfter after arfter
Let's call the whole thing off,
You like vanilla and I like vanella
You saspiralla, and I saspirella
Vanilla vanella chocolate strawberry
Let's call the whole thing off
But oh if we call the whole thing of then we must part
And oh, if we ever part, then that might break my heart
So if you go for oysters and I go for ersters
I'll order oysters and cancel the ersters
For we know we need each other so we
Better call the calling off off,
Let's call the whole thing off.
I say father, and you say pater,
I saw mother and you say mater
Pater, mater Uncle, auntie let's call the whole thing off.
I like bananas and you like banahnahs
I say Havana and I get Havahnah
Bananas, banahnahs Havana, Havahnah
Go your way, I'll go mine
So if I go for scallops and you go for lobsters,
So all right no contest we'll order lobster
For we know we need each other so we
Better call the calling off off,
Let's call the whole thing off.
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