After all the terrible stories I've read here...
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Originally Posted by Dee74 
one more question - it's one I asked before.
How long has this been working for you ZHIK?
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How long has this been working for you ZHIK?
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Would you really deny an option that is different from what you have been taught? Because you have invested so much in the current way of thinking?
Blend in a good feeling in to the feeling that makes to want to drink. Do you still want to?
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I'm happy and sober.
I'd rather go with whats been working for me for 8 years.
Is that wrong?
I don't think so.
I've read posts very similar to yours before. The cures change but the sales pitch and the language never does.
I wish you well, like I always do - but from where I sit this cure has no foundation to it at all.
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I'd rather go with whats been working for me for 8 years.
Is that wrong?
I don't think so.
I've read posts very similar to yours before. The cures change but the sales pitch and the language never does.
I wish you well, like I always do - but from where I sit this cure has no foundation to it at all.
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I drank on every feeling under the sun, so know this wouldn't work for me! 3 weeks is quite early doors to say you've found a cure for alcoholism. I know people sober for 40+ years who address it on a daily basis and certainly don't call themselves cured.
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Originally Posted by Dee74
I'm happy and sober.
I'd rather go with whats been working for me for 8 years.
Is that wrong?
I don't think so.
I've read posts very similar to yours before. The cures change but the sales pitch and the language never does.
I wish you well, like I always do - but from where I sit this cure has no foundation to it at all.
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I'd rather go with whats been working for me for 8 years.
Is that wrong?
I don't think so.
I've read posts very similar to yours before. The cures change but the sales pitch and the language never does.
I wish you well, like I always do - but from where I sit this cure has no foundation to it at all.
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You didn't try it at all, did you?
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Originally Posted by Try18
I drank on every feeling under the sun, so know this wouldn't work for me! 3 weeks is quite early doors to say you've found a cure for alcoholism. I know people sober for 40+ years who address it on a daily basis and certainly don't call themselves cured.
P.S. I am doing this to help people. Heavy resistance is what I expected. But this works.
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Originally Posted by ZHIK
I appreciate your choice. I'm not selling anything though.I'm not making any money from it. It's just to help my fellow alcoholics to get them cured. Yes, cured.
You didn't try it at all, did you?
You didn't try it at all, did you?
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Bold statements like stating you have cured alcoholism is sure to achieve your expected goal of heavy resistance. If it works for you, great. You can't realistically think it will work for everyone. It just won't.
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Originally Posted by Dee74
I don't have 'a feeling to drink' to fold any good thoughts into...so no LOL.
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You still don't believe that in a couple of minutes one can turn from an alcoholic to someone who doesn't drink, or, if they want to, drink like a "normal" person, do you?
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I'm reluctant to even enter this fray...but...
ZHIK, the part that I'm not understanding is the blending in the good feeling (I understand it visually, like milk into coffee)...
I didn't drink because I had bad feelings. I drank with great joy and happiness. I quit because of the damage to my body. So, I was starting with the glass of milk, and there's nothing to blend into it...
I don't think you have to feel bad about drinking to quit. I think you just need to want it and decide it and, well, do it. I think there are a zillion ways to approach the quitting, different ways of framing it.
For many people on here, the addiction to alcohol was a physical addiction. Whether or not people felt happiness or anger or sadness or shame at the moment they were drinking had nothing to do with their inability to quit - it was a physical reaction, just like heroin, where you feel sicker when you stop because your body adapted to it, and the only way to stop feeling sick is to keep doing it or go through detox, getting even sicker until you are finally through the physical response...
Anyway, you say "there is one feeling that makes you want to drink though." For me, that feeling was primarily happiness/joy. So I don't fully understand... the converse of that feeling for me is a sense of responsibility, which is the feeling I used to re-orient myself toward sobriety.
I think the part that isn't working in terms of communicating your idea is that there are as many reasons or approaches to drinking as there are people on these boards, so there have to be just as many solutions. If this worked for you, that is wonderful, but it might not fit any one else's experience...
ZHIK, the part that I'm not understanding is the blending in the good feeling (I understand it visually, like milk into coffee)...
I didn't drink because I had bad feelings. I drank with great joy and happiness. I quit because of the damage to my body. So, I was starting with the glass of milk, and there's nothing to blend into it...
I don't think you have to feel bad about drinking to quit. I think you just need to want it and decide it and, well, do it. I think there are a zillion ways to approach the quitting, different ways of framing it.
For many people on here, the addiction to alcohol was a physical addiction. Whether or not people felt happiness or anger or sadness or shame at the moment they were drinking had nothing to do with their inability to quit - it was a physical reaction, just like heroin, where you feel sicker when you stop because your body adapted to it, and the only way to stop feeling sick is to keep doing it or go through detox, getting even sicker until you are finally through the physical response...
Anyway, you say "there is one feeling that makes you want to drink though." For me, that feeling was primarily happiness/joy. So I don't fully understand... the converse of that feeling for me is a sense of responsibility, which is the feeling I used to re-orient myself toward sobriety.
I think the part that isn't working in terms of communicating your idea is that there are as many reasons or approaches to drinking as there are people on these boards, so there have to be just as many solutions. If this worked for you, that is wonderful, but it might not fit any one else's experience...
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Originally Posted by ZHIK
Well, great! You got over it over time. Could have been instant though.
You still don't believe that in a couple of minutes one can turn from an alcoholic to someone who doesn't drink, or, if they want to, drink like a "normal" person, do you?
You still don't believe that in a couple of minutes one can turn from an alcoholic to someone who doesn't drink, or, if they want to, drink like a "normal" person, do you?
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Originally Posted by EndGameNYC
I hope this is not another April Fools thread. Then again, maybe I do?
But yes ... I know what you mean!
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Originally Posted by ZHIK
You still don't believe that in a couple of minutes one can turn from an alcoholic to someone who doesn't drink, or, if they want to, drink like a "normal" person, do you?
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Originally Posted by Dee74
no. and I think it's dangerous and irresponsible of you to suggest such a thing here in a newcomers forum.
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