Alcoholism disease concept
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Originally Posted by UpperbucksAAguy 
I am sure glad AA has a tradition which states -“Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the A.A. name ought never be drawn into public controversy.” The nature of alcoholism is an “outside issue. Now I realize this site is not AA and we are free to discuss this ad nauseum, but this is where the discussion belongs, not in a meeting.
The closest the Big Book comes to a definition of alcoholism is on p. 44, where we are told that alcoholism “is an illness which only a spiritual experience will conquer.”
The only time the book uses the word disease is in connection with resentments in chapter 5 ( spiritual disease)
Bill Wilson in 1961 talking to the National Catholic Clergy on Alcoholism:
The closest the Big Book comes to a definition of alcoholism is on p. 44, where we are told that alcoholism “is an illness which only a spiritual experience will conquer.”
The only time the book uses the word disease is in connection with resentments in chapter 5 ( spiritual disease)
Bill Wilson in 1961 talking to the National Catholic Clergy on Alcoholism:
Alcoholism is clearly a spiritual disease. But it's impossible for the locus of the disease to be in the brain, because then scientists would be able to find a cure eventually. But the Big Book says that no human power could relieve our alcoholism. Therefore the only answer is that it must be encoded in our DNA. No human power can change the DNA of a fully-developed living being.
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im with you shaun...and the last post from omega...MY EXPERIENCE....
the spirtual malady is not exclusive to alcoholics.my spritual malady which boiled down = seperation from God...my first recall of this was at 7 years old...God showed me it in meditation after i got sober...i didnt start drinking till 12/13.
the obsession comes to this alcoholic AFTER the malady..then i drink...then the allergy kicks in.
the obsession and allergy are symptoms of my spiritual disease/malady/seperation,which has manifested in other areas nothing to do with alcohol....ive been shown a bigger picture.
alcoholism is obsession and allergy.
the spirtual malady is not exclusive to alcoholics.my spritual malady which boiled down = seperation from God...my first recall of this was at 7 years old...God showed me it in meditation after i got sober...i didnt start drinking till 12/13.
the obsession comes to this alcoholic AFTER the malady..then i drink...then the allergy kicks in.
the obsession and allergy are symptoms of my spiritual disease/malady/seperation,which has manifested in other areas nothing to do with alcohol....ive been shown a bigger picture.
alcoholism is obsession and allergy.
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Originally Posted by jojoba
Wrong. She was born with the spiritual disease, so even before she ever takes a drink, she's still an alcoholic.
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Originally Posted by jojoba
Wrong. She was born with the spiritual disease, so even before she ever takes a drink, she's still an alcoholic.
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Eleven months sober and I know that it is a spiritual malady. I know that for me
Most of my drinking was me trying to connect. Alcohol would give me, at times, an elevated state, feeling connected with people.
I find it harder to post on the newcomers forum as I want to say that it is a spiritual problem but not a lot of people can relate to that, especially at the beginning.
I don''t think I would have.
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Most of my drinking was me trying to connect. Alcohol would give me, at times, an elevated state, feeling connected with people.
I find it harder to post on the newcomers forum as I want to say that it is a spiritual problem but not a lot of people can relate to that, especially at the beginning.
I don''t think I would have.
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Originally Posted by jojoba
Wrong. She was born with the spiritual disease, so even before she ever takes a drink, she's still an alcoholic.
This is why, if you have a lobotomy, for example, your mind, and not just your brain, will change. It is also precisely why alcohol and other psychoactive drugs can change the mind by altering the physical chemical reactions in the brain. It goes without saying that the brain is just another organ, and physically a part of the human body.
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Originally Posted by omegasupreme
Is it possible that the Ultimate Sickness, the inability to differentiate the true from the false, manifests in all humans? Is it possible that the external manifestation takes on different forms? Pills, booze, cheesecake, cutting, exercising, cleaning, sex...
very possible
my sponsor,uses the Big Book to sponsor some folks like you described,successfully thru the steps.
He just don`t tell them they are AA members and invite them to a AA meeting.He does it as a recovered alcoholic and not as a member of any group.
so far he has sponsored Sex addicts,alcoholics,addicts,over eaters,6 food addicts that I know of.
it is our job to do what he is doing
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The American Medical Association classifies alcoholism as a mental illness so officially it's a disease. I suppose it's a disease in the same way that depression and bipolar disorder are diseases. Call it a spiritual malady, that's fine too. Whatever helps. In the end it only matters that I don't drink today
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Originally Posted by NYCDoglvr
The American Medical Association classifies alcoholism as a mental illness so officially it's a disease.
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