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Old 06-30-2008, 08:46 AM   #1 (permalink)

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money, the root of all evil???? as per B. F.

"He that is of the opinion money will do everything may well be suspected of doing everything for money."
Benjamin Franklin

Money is any marketable good or token used by a society as a store of value, a medium of exchange, or a unit of account. Money objects can meet some or all of these needs. Since the needs arise naturally, societies organically create a money object when none exists. In other cases, a central authority creates a money object; this is more frequently the case in modern societies with paper money. Money comprises of coins and paper currency issued by a government for payment of debts and for purchase of goods and services.

He that is of the opinion money will do everything may well be suspected of doing everything for money.
Benjamin Franklin

The money quotes describe the importance of money dated long back in our history and its validity. The money quotes may be the sayings of the fiancé officials of a particular economy or the people who analyze the worth of money each single second. These quotes actually tell the importance of the money that may be required to sustain life and comfort in this present day world.

Too many of us look upon Americans as dollar chasers. This is a cruel libel, even if it is reiterated thoughtlessly by the Americans themselves.
Albert Einstein

Penny wise, pound foolish.
Robert Burton

Still amorous, and fond, and billing, Like Philip and Mary, on a shilling.
Samuel Butler (1)

Money will not buy happiness, but it will let you be unhappy in nice places.

If you would be wealthy, think of saving as well as getting.
Benjamin Franklin

If all the rich people in the world divided up their money among themselves there wouldn't be enough to go around.
Christina Stead

Endless money forms the sinews of war.

Money was never a big motivation for me, except as a way to keep score. The real excitement is playing the game.
Donald Trump

If you want to know what God thinks of money, just look at the people he gave it to.
Dorothy Parker

Money is the sinew of love as well as war.
Dr. Thomas Fuller

I'm living so far beyond my income that we may almost be said to be living apart.
e e cummings

The only way not to think about money is to have a great deal of it.
Edith Wharton

Save a little money each month and at the end of the year you'll be surprised at how little you have.
Ernest Haskins

I'm living so far beyond my income that we may almost be said to be living apart.
William Cowper

Money can't buy happiness, but it does quiet the nerves.

Money will come to you when you are doing the right thing.
Michael Phillips

Money is only a tool. It will take you wherever you wish, but it will not replace you as the driver.
Ayn Rand

My problem lies in reconciling my gross habits with my net income.
Errol Flynn

The mint makes it first, it is up to you to make it last.
Evan Esar

The rich are the scum of the earth in every country.
G. K. Chesterton

Lack of money is the root of all evil.
George Bernard Shaw

One must be poor to know the luxury of giving.
George Eliot

Money frees you from doing things you dislike. Since I dislike doing nearly everything, money is handy.
Groucho Marx

The chief value of money lies in the fact that one lives in a world in which it is overestimated.
H. L. Mencken

Riches may enable us to confer favours, but to confer them with propriety and grace requires a something that riches cannot give.
Charles Caleb Colton

Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pound ought and six, result misery.
Charles Dickens

Make money your god and it will plague you like the devil.
Henry Fielding

Make money, money by fair means if you can, if not, but any means money.

If you can count your money, you don't have a billion dollars.
J. Paul Getty

I have enough money to last me the rest of my life, unless I buy something.
Jackie Mason

A large income is the best recipe for happiness I ever heard of.
Jane Austen

A wise man should have money in his head, but not in his heart.
Jonathan Swift

Nothing amuses me more than the easy manner with which everybody settles the abundance of those who have a great deal less than themselves.
Jane Austen

Do not be fooled into believing that because a man is rich he is necessarily smart. There is ample proof to the contrary.
Julius Rosenwald

Dollar Diplomacy.
Author Unknown

Money makes the man.

Money is a good servant but a bad master. [Fr., L'argent est un bon serviteur, mais un mechant maitre."

Money is like muck, not good except it be spread.
Francis Bacon

A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.

The sinews of business (or state).
Bion of Smyrna

Capitalism is using its money; we socialists throw it away.
Fidel Castro

Make ducks and drakes with shillings.
George Chapman

The way to resumption is to resume.
Salmon Portland Chase

I knew once a very covetous, sordid fellow who used to say, "Take care of the pence, for the pounds will take care of themselves."
Philip Dormer Stanhope

Money doesn't sleep.

Yes! ready money is Aladdin's lamp.
Samuel Butler (1)

Money, which is of very uncertain value, and sometimes has no value at all and even less.
Thomas Carlyle

In its famous paradox, the equation of money and excrement, psychoanalysis becomes the first science to state what common sense and the poets have long known--that the essence of money is in its absolute worthlessness.
Bion of Smyrna

Stamps God's own name upon a lie just made, To turn a penny in the way of trade.
William Cowper

For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

Nothing is so secure as that money will not defeat it.
Philip Dormer Stanhope

Money was made, not to command our will, But all out lawful pleasure to fulfil. Shame and woe to use, if we our wealth obey; The horse doth with the horseman run away.
Abraham Cowley

The sinews of affairs are cut.
William Cowper

Money is like manure: It's not worth anything unless you spread it around.

Money is like manure. If you spread it around it does a lot of good. But if you pile it up in one place it stinks like hell.
Junior Murchison

A billion here, a billion there, pretty soon it's real money.
William Cowper

Money is the sixth sense that makes it possible to enjoy the other five.
Richard Ney

Money does not change men, it only unmasks them.
Mme. Riccoboni

Money is the seed of money, and the first guinea is sometimes more difficult to acquire than the second million.
Jean Jacques Rousseau

Money alone is absolutely good, because it is not only a concrete satisfaction of one need in particular; it is an abstract satisfaction of all.
Arthur Schopenhauer

Money — the root of all evil.... Man needs roots.

Money cannot buy health, but I'd settle for a diamond-studded wheelchair.
Dorothy Parker

Money begets money.
John Ray

Money dishonestly acquired is never worth its cost, while a good conscience never costs as much as it is worth.
Jean Petit Senn

Money is indeed the most important thing in the world; and all sound and successful personal and national morality should have this fact for its basis.
George Bernard Shaw

Money is the most important thing in the world. It represents health, strength, honor, generosity, and beauty as conspicuously as the want of it represents illness, weakness, disgrace, meanness, and ugliness.
George Bernard Shaw

Money can't buy happiness; it can, however, rent it.

Money and success don't change people; they merely amplify what is already there.
Will Smith

Money is the most egalitarian force in society. It confers power on whoever holds it.
Roger Starr

Money is always there but the pockets change.
Gertrude Stein

Money talks — but credit has an echo.
Bob Thaves

Money is a new form of slavery, and distinguishable from the old simply by the fact that it is impersonal—that there is no human relationship between master and slave.
Count Leo Nikolaevich Tolstoi or Tolstoy

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Old 06-30-2008, 09:44 PM   #2 (permalink)
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More than I ever cared to know about money
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Old 07-01-2008, 09:26 AM   #3 (permalink)

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"Give me your tired dollars, your poor dollars..."

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Old 07-01-2008, 09:41 AM   #4 (permalink)

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I was laid off from my high wage job in May. I was glad because I looked at as an opportunity to downsize and simplify my life. More and more I am of the opinion that a spiritual life is a simple life.

I recently took a position that pays far less than what I made before, but I've found I don't need much-food, clothing and shelter are my needs and those needs are amply met. After all I have a new Employer who will never fire me and meets all my needs if I keep close to him and do his work. Money is just a tool that helps me do God's work.
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Old 07-01-2008, 12:59 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I believe money can neither/either be good or bad
it depends on what I do to get it and how I use it or let it use me.
all the money in the world cannot buy us a good spiritual life and sobriety!
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Old 07-01-2008, 07:15 PM   #6 (permalink)
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"more money makes a person more of what he already is ." (don't know the origin of that saying but I do like it)

with "more" money, some are more generous, others are more shallow...
me; i've had lots of money and never was the happier for it, the more i had the more of a consumer i once was, ever trying to feed the emptiness inside with stuff and diversions.

today: in sobriety, i live simply. i have very little money now and am delighted with my wealth.
i close my eyes and see clearly
i stop trying to listen and hear truth
i am silent and my heart sings
i seek no contact and find union
i am still and move forward
i am gentle and need no strength
i am humble and remain whole

(ancient taoist meditation)
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Old 07-03-2008, 06:35 AM   #7 (permalink)

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lots of excellent rsvp's
i only threaded the quote because i googled it after i read
"money, the root of all evil" by signal30
it's wild
"the child is father of the man"
Brother Claver, 8th grade, 1963
who began the semester with
"if you learn one thing every day"
like, wow
where i'm going with this is how misinformed, uneducated, etc. we are,
well, can't take someone's inventory
misinformed, etc i am

so much is behavior is guided by
i'm working so i will open a new savings account and save my check
(a penny saved is a penny earned)
i walk into home depot, i want to buy the store
(i love tools, how does this work, i need that, etc)
oh, oh, "best to be thrifty"
i pass a electronics store
wow, a state of the art home entertainment center
on sale, no less
i want that
of course, it's on sale, new model probably on the way
then 24 hours in a day
do i sit home all night with my new toy
and not make my meeting?
"money is the root of all evil"

then as i walk away
how can a tv set be evil?
i'll ask leona about it
"only the little people pay taxes'

finally, with the www
we have so much info, who needs it?
much better way back when
"a penny saved is a penny earned"
end of story

as i googled the quote
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Old 07-03-2008, 08:25 AM   #8 (permalink)
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I`m reading a good book now
For Sinners Only by A.J.Russell
I came across a few lines that was powerful concerning money ans sex.
In God`s world there is no sex or money problems.God provides what we need.When we have those problems we are living outside of God on our own.Thats not a quote,but as best I can remember at this time.
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Old 07-03-2008, 08:17 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Money is kinda like a knife. You can either use it for it's basic intended purpose, or you can abuse it by hurting you and everyone around you.

Wow it took me 10 minutes to come up with

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Old 07-03-2008, 08:45 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I think the Lack of money is the root to evil.

What some may want or need a cannot afford, will commit crime to get it. Sad but true
Just Maybe... It is true that we do not know what we have until we lose it, But it is also true we do not know what we have been missing until it Arrives.
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Old 07-03-2008, 09:38 PM   #11 (permalink)
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The best experiences in my life could not be produced with money.

I consider some of my 'happiest' years my first two in college. I wanted a lot of stuff...but I had very little money, just enough for shelter and food - this is before I became a heavy drinker, in fact - I didn't drink very often. Looking back - I was really happy with all life (I just read some letters from that time when I was packing boxes away). Those two years were the 'leanest' I have ever gone through - and they were great.
"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." - Soren Kierkegaard
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Old 07-04-2008, 09:39 AM   #12 (permalink)

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"..............due to a misdiagnosed mental illness. Three months ago I demanded treatment and the right kind. Well they figured it out and medicated properly........."

wow, can i identify
i have the same challenge to overcome
seems i'm not being diagnosed
mislabeled by malicious gossip
which i inform the doctor about at a session
since he has no authority or concern to investigate, validate, or even care
"not my yob, man"
i am being misdiagnosed
please relay the procedure you pursued to right the wrong
"....they figured it out....."
maybe, let me know who "they" are
i can contact them
and possibly get their help

thanks a bunch

p.s. could it be i've been misdiaganosed an alcoholic, too?
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Old 07-04-2008, 11:35 AM   #13 (permalink)
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probably not,especially if you diagnosed yourself
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Old 07-04-2008, 11:53 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Interesting thread. IMHO greed is the root of all evil rather than money. The reason is that greed causes people to lie, cheat, and steal.

I am fortunate that I have lived both sides of the money spectrum from well off to welfare. What those experiences taught me is that money or the lack of never changes the inside of a person. If a person is greedy they will still be greedy no matter how much money that have or don't have. If a person is mean money or the lack of won't change that. If a person is bitter or angry money isn't going to change it. Depression, mental illness, alcoholism, and most diseases money will not change. It is all an inside job. One can be just as happy with no money as one can be with several million in the bank. JMHO.
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Greed is the selfish desire for or pursuit of money, wealth, power, food, or other possessions, especially when this denies the same goods to others. It is generally considered a vice, and is one of the seven deadly sins in Catholicism.

Contents [hide]
1 Definitions
2 Greed versus happiness
3 Greed and idolatry
4 Literature
5 See also
6 External links

[edit] Definitions
Greed denotes desire to acquire wealth or possessions beyond the needs of the individual, especially when this accumulation of possession denies others legitimate needs or access to those or other resources. For example, amassing a large collection of seashells would not be considered greed, unless in doing so, the needs of others were jeopardized. Essential to the concept of greed is the awareness that the needs of others are denied, thus rivalrous goods exemplify greed while non-rivalrous goods may not. Greed also often involves using wealth to gain power over others, sometimes by denying wealth or power.

Some desire to increase one's wealth is nearly universal and acceptable in any culture, but this simple want is not considered greed. Greed is the extreme form of this desire, especially where one desires things simply for the sake of owning them (such as the desire to have great amounts of money not to purchase objects, but possession or the money is an end in itself). Greed typically entails acquiring material possessions at the expense of other person's welfare (for example, a father buying himself a new car rather than fix the roof of his family's home) or otherwise reflect priorities.

Coveting another person's goods is usually called envy, a word commonly confused with jealousy. The two words denote opposite forms of greed. We may envy and wish to have the possessions or qualities of another, but we jealously guard the possessions or qualities we believe we have and refuse to share these with others.

Greed for food or drink, combined with excessive indulgence in them, is called gluttony. Excessive greed for and indulgence in sex is called lust, although this term no longer carries as negative connotations as it once did.

A woodcut by Ugo da Carpi, is entitled "Hercules Chasing Avarice from the Temple of the Muses." [1]. Thomas Aquinas metaphorically described the sin of Avarice as "Mammon being carried up from Hell by a wolf, coming to inflame the human heart with Greed".

Proponents of laissez-faire capitalism sometimes argue that greed should not be considered a negative trait and should instead be embraced, as they claim that greed is a profoundly benevolent force in human affairs, as well as a necessary foundation for the capitalist system. Critics have argued this definition confuses greed with self-interest, which can be benign.

[edit] Greed versus happiness
Buddhists believe greed is based on incorrectly connecting material wealth with happiness. This is caused by a view that exaggerates the positive aspects of an object; that is, acquiring material objects has less impact than we imagine on our feelings of happiness. This view has been correlated by studies in the field of happiness economics, which confirm that beyond the provision of a basic level of material comfort, more wealth does not create greater happiness.

[edit] Greed and idolatry
Greed is a form of idolatry, according to the Bible (Colossians 3:5). While some have had difficulty understanding this connection, the most common explanation is that the greedy person values money or possessions more than God. This may also be connected with worship of the golden calf. Another understanding is that greed serves to bring as many things that the greedy person considers valuables to that person, making him the center of his efforts, the one he aims to please, converting him into his own god, and creating pride with great concentration on the ego.

[edit] Literature
Lewis A. Coser, Greedy Institutions, 1974

[edit] See also
Look up greed, avarice in Wiktionary, the free dictionary.Miser
Gordon Gekko
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Old 07-05-2008, 10:11 PM   #16 (permalink)
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That is a heck of a lot of info fraankie, my eyes are tired.

Which do you prefer more,


Right-Click Copy, Right Click Paste????

I am a CTRL-C,CTRL-V guy myself....


good info there. Gordon Gekko indeed.
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