16-Steps for Discovery and Empowerment - SoberRecovery : Alcoholism Drug Addiction Help and Information

Abbadun · 12-24-2006, 06:06 PM

Hi

What do you think of the 16 Steps?

http://www.charlottekasl.com/16steps.html

I like them except for Step 2. I think that there should also be a Alternative for the catalyst for change to be the fellowship or the group or the community or sharing with others.

AB

**shockozulu** · 12-24-2006, 08:40 PM

My problem with the 16 step program has also been the 2nd step. Glad to see I'm not alone.

GlassPrisoner · 12-24-2006, 09:19 PM

Looks like a great program of recovery !

I'd like to make a couple of points.

Step 12 doesn't seem very realistic. There may be be people in power in our lives that refuse to affirm out positive traits.

I don't see where the message is carried to others after recovery of ones self. I'm a firm believer in service.

Abbadun · 12-25-2006, 04:59 AM

Hi GP

Well since they have groups and seem to be trying to expand that service is a principle of theirs, may be they have something like AA 12 traditions that speak on service?

AB

Quote:

Originally Posted by GlassPrisoner

Looks like a great program of recovery !

I'd like to make a couple of points.

Step 12 doesn't seem very realistic. There may be be people in power in our lives that refuse to affirm out positive traits.

I don't see where the message is carried to others after recovery of ones self. I'm a firm believer in service.

Taking5 · 12-27-2006, 07:24 AM

Not bad but a little too new-ageish for me overall. Where do they have group meetings? I would attend one if I had the opportunity.

Abbadun · 12-27-2006, 02:43 PM

Hi Well it seems new because it is and avoids some of the pitfalls grandfathered into older programs.

Here is their group list

http://www.charlottekasl.com/programs.html

AB

Quote:

Originally Posted by dgillz

Not bad but a little too new-ageish for me overall. Where do they have group meetings? I would attend one if I had the opportunity.

Taking5 · 12-27-2006, 02:57 PM

AB,

Cool info. Thanks.

**shockozulu** · 12-28-2006, 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GlassPrisoner

I don't see where the message is carried to others after recovery of ones self. I'm a firm believer in service.

I am as well, but I do not believe that I should be told and/or recommended to serve. It should be voluntary. I like the fact it is removed.

Doug · 02-01-2007, 02:57 PM

I like 12 Steps better, less work don'cha know, for those of us with less patience.

Fire away!

Abbadun · 02-01-2007, 06:19 PM

Hi Doug

I really like something a long these lines (See below).

I like this because eventhough HP is not mentioned Step 2 does not disqualify the use of HP.

AB

A version of the Humanist Steps

1. We accept the fact that all our efforts to stop drinking have failed.

2. We believe that we must turn elsewhere for help.

3. We turn to our fellow men and women, particularly those who have struggled with the same problem.

4. We have made a list of the situations in which we are most likely to drink.

5. We ask our friends to help us avoid those situations.

6. We are ready to accept the help they give us.

7. We honestly hope they will help.

8. We have made a list of the persons we have harmed and to whom we hope to make amends.

9. We shall do all we can to make amends, in any way that will not cause further harm.

10. We will continue to make such lists and revise them as needed.

11. We appreciate what our friends have done and are doing to help us.

12. We, in turn, are ready to help others who may come to us in the same way.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug

I like 12 Steps better, less work don'cha know, for those of us with less patience.

Fire away!

GlassPrisoner · 02-02-2007, 01:32 AM

That's pretty cool AB.

pi_seas · 03-06-2007, 09:40 PM

I just heard a presentation about the 16 step model. Oh, by the way, I am new to the boards here at SoberRecovery. My name is Pi and I am an alcoholic.

Since I am new, let me provide a little bit of background. I come from a family of AA's. My grandfather is now the person in our town with the most years of sobriety (50+ years). My father and my uncle are both in AA. I have been an atheist my entire life and do not agree in any way with what amounts to the AA dogma (and it IS DOGMA). I believe AA has helped many, many people overcome their dependence on alcohol and for some their dependence on drugs. However, I believe that our culture has changed and the dogma associated with AA must end. I beleive that the power weilded by AA in recovery circles will eventually set the recovery movement back several years.

Because of my grandfather, father, and uncle, AA has been a part of my life since I was 5. Additionally, I am also a recovering alcoholic and never agreed with the encouraged co-dependency between sponsor and "newbie." Nor have I agreed with the implied belief that all alcoholics are worthless and incapable of running thier own lives and as such I stopped going to "meetings" after I had 90 days of sobriety. After reading the 16 steps, I felt that someone finally was able to put into words a series of steps that fit me. I encourage those who are not "vetrans" of the AA movement to look into the "16 step" program. You may just find the home and safe haven you were looking for.

historyteach · 03-07-2007, 04:42 PM

Hi, pi!
And welcome to SR!

I look forward to hearing about your recovery.

Shalom!

nolonger · 03-07-2007, 05:54 PM

Hi Pi,
welcome on board. Sounds like alcoholism is the family business...;o)
peace,
nolonger.

12-24-2006, 06:06 PM	#1 (permalink)
Abbadun Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Connecticut Posts: 97	16-Steps for Discovery and Empowerment Hi What do you think of the 16 Steps? http://www.charlottekasl.com/16steps.html I like them except for Step 2. I think that there should also be a Alternative for the catalyst for change to be the fellowship or the group or the community or sharing with others. AB

12-24-2006, 08:40 PM	#2 (permalink)
shockozulu Reach Out and Touch Faith Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Southern California Posts: 3,363	My problem with the 16 step program has also been the 2nd step. Glad to see I'm not alone. __________________ "Its Mr Higher Power unless I'm angry, then just like everyone else in my life it simply becomes Mr. Power." Copyright © 2005 - 2013 Shockozulu

12-24-2006, 09:19 PM	#3 (permalink)
GlassPrisoner Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Murrieta, Ca Posts: 2,683	Looks like a great program of recovery ! I'd like to make a couple of points. Step 12 doesn't seem very realistic. There may be be people in power in our lives that refuse to affirm out positive traits. I don't see where the message is carried to others after recovery of ones self. I'm a firm believer in service. __________________ Life Happens

12-27-2006, 07:24 AM	#5 (permalink)
Taking5 Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: LA - Lower Alabama Posts: 4,246	Not bad but a little too new-ageish for me overall. Where do they have group meetings? I would attend one if I had the opportunity. __________________ It is easier to practice total abstinence than perfect moderation _______________________________________ Any quotes from the big book of AA are from the first edition, or are otherwise exempt from copyright infringement under the "fair use doctrine".

12-27-2006, 02:57 PM	#7 (permalink)
Taking5 Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: LA - Lower Alabama Posts: 4,246	AB, Cool info. Thanks. __________________ It is easier to practice total abstinence than perfect moderation _______________________________________ Any quotes from the big book of AA are from the first edition, or are otherwise exempt from copyright infringement under the "fair use doctrine".

02-01-2007, 02:57 PM	#9 (permalink)
Doug Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: S.E. Mich. Posts: 1,441	I like 12 Steps better, less work don'cha know, for those of us with less patience. Fire away!

02-02-2007, 01:32 AM	#11 (permalink)
GlassPrisoner Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Murrieta, Ca Posts: 2,683	That's pretty cool AB. __________________ Life Happens

03-06-2007, 09:40 PM	#12 (permalink)
pi_seas Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Anywhere, USA Posts: 1	Just Heard a Presentation Today I just heard a presentation about the 16 step model. Oh, by the way, I am new to the boards here at SoberRecovery. My name is Pi and I am an alcoholic. Since I am new, let me provide a little bit of background. I come from a family of AA's. My grandfather is now the person in our town with the most years of sobriety (50+ years). My father and my uncle are both in AA. I have been an atheist my entire life and do not agree in any way with what amounts to the AA dogma (and it IS DOGMA). I believe AA has helped many, many people overcome their dependence on alcohol and for some their dependence on drugs. However, I believe that our culture has changed and the dogma associated with AA must end. I beleive that the power weilded by AA in recovery circles will eventually set the recovery movement back several years. Because of my grandfather, father, and uncle, AA has been a part of my life since I was 5. Additionally, I am also a recovering alcoholic and never agreed with the encouraged co-dependency between sponsor and "newbie." Nor have I agreed with the implied belief that all alcoholics are worthless and incapable of running thier own lives and as such I stopped going to "meetings" after I had 90 days of sobriety. After reading the 16 steps, I felt that someone finally was able to put into words a series of steps that fit me. I encourage those who are not "vetrans" of the AA movement to look into the "16 step" program. You may just find the home and safe haven you were looking for.

03-07-2007, 04:42 PM	#13 (permalink)
historyteach To Life! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 9,300	Hi, pi! And welcome to SR! I look forward to hearing about your recovery. Shalom! __________________ IMAGINE

03-07-2007, 05:54 PM	#14 (permalink)
nolonger Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: . Posts: 299	Hi Pi, welcome on board. Sounds like alcoholism is the family business...;o) peace, nolonger.

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