Suffering, what can I do
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Suffering, what can I do
Hello guys, I am new here and wanted to try this out. I am suffering badly, so I am trying to find as much help as I can because I am going crazy. The father of my child and I have split 3 weeks ago, he became heavily drinking about a year ago. When I met this man 5 years ago, he never even had a drop of liquor. It hurts so bad seeing the changes. The past year he started drinking really bad, and it is just all day, night, morning. It’s so bad, the past 2 months, he started to seem very miserable. He was always in bed, just wanted to drink, and go to sleep. He was always aggravated, anything I said to him would get him annoyed. He started to get verbally abusive with the drinking the past year as well. So we just started having arguments, and he would leave to his parents house, and just leave me alone in our apartment with our 2 kids.
this time 3 weeks ago, he left for good. We got into an argument again, and he left to his parents home. 3 days later, he apologized and told me how sorry he was, and that it’s his fault not noticing how drunk he always is. I forgave him and he said we will work on us, but will still be at his parents home so he wouldn’t treat me like this. We tried to go out on dates, to make things feel better and work on us, but he still went back home to his parents after the dates, I asked him when he was coming back, and he said he needed time to work on himself.. after the date, I went back home, and he went back to his parents. When I went to bed, I woke up the next morning everything was fine. A couple of hours later, we get into a little argument, and out of no where he says “ I don’t even want to be with you anymore, and I’ve been talking to other females” and when I begged, cried and kept calling him, he told me to “cry myself to sleep” he told me to “move on”
I was so confused, how he apologized, and now I’m being forced to move on? I tried so hard to get him to stop drinking, stop taking pills, and all this stuff, I bought him a car in may, I got him his new iPhone before I got the car. I did everything in my power to make sure he lived a life that would make him want to forget about the old one. When I got my first car, I cherished life and couldn’t even believe the life I was living before I got my stuff together! I was hoping that would be life changing for him. We deleted our facebooks when we first got together, but the whole time he was “working on us” he made a new one and was talking to girls the whole time. We were fine and now I’m forced to move on.
he left 3 weeks ago, and he does not check up on the kids like that, he’s only saw them once since he’s left. EVERYTIME I try to talk to him now he doesn’t reply, if I do get a hold of him on the phone, he’s drunk out of his mind. Each time I’ve talked to him since he’s left, it’s always been DRUNK! I haven’t even heard his sober voice since he’s left. It’s sad. he tells me he doesn’t want to see me ever again, he tells me I need to move on, and That he doesn’t care about me anymore. Also saying he doesn’t care if I’ve been talking to “10 guys already”
what Hurts more is that he’s immature, and he’s talking to these immature girls. One of them called my kids ugly, and she told me I deserved to die. And he still is trying to talk to her after she’s said all that to me.
I’m so hurt this has happened in the matter of 3 weeks, the first week he left he called me drunk saying “I love you, sorry take care of the kids” and when I brought it up the other day, he said he was just drunk and off “perks” so he didn’t mean it. I have done everything for this man, just so he can enjoy everything I’ve done with him, with everyone else. I’m so sad no one sees the helps he needs too, he’s always drunk and I haven’t even heard him sober in weeks, he’s always been a drinker, but when he was home there was atleast a moment where he was sober for about 3 hours!!! How can he just forget about us so quick.
he only asked to see them on Father’s Day, and has never reached out to see them again or ask if they’re okay, this isn’t his first time leaving. But when he use to leave he would contact me everyday, ask about the kids, and actually try to see them. When he use to leave he’s also never hung out or talked to any girls like he is now. And all his old friends are back in his life drinking and doing the same thing he is. It’s funny because They all came back once I bought him a car, when he use to leave to his parents house with NO CAR, no one would want to hang out with him, He would just stay at his parents, call me, missing us and our family and crying. Now he doesn’t contact at all. I believe the car gave him more access, I’m just wondering, if I got him a car earlier, would he would have does this earlier to me? Is he so distracted with drinking, partying, and girls that he doesn’t care anymore? I don’t know how he can go 5 years straight coming home to us, and the kids after work. Just being with us, loving us. To becoming an alcoholic and not checking up anymore.
he’s been drinking driving all day, even when he was home and I would tell him not to do this stuff he would get mad, he would get annoyed because I didn’t want him drinking, doing shrooms, or pills. He was such a great dad, he was so attached to our kids, he use to stand up for them, if anyone talked about our kids it was ON! now he’s not. And I can’t believe he would still try to talk to a female that called our kids ugly and said I deserved to die.
I sent him lots of old pics of the kids, hoping that would smarten him up a little and make him realize. So many memories, he use to cry and call me when he use to look at old pictures of us and the kids. I sent him pictures of the kids, and told them how good a dad he was and how he always use to be there, and how he would never let anyone talk about our kids, and he didn’t reply to any message. He doesn’t reply to me anymore, doiesnt want to do anything with me anymore. Right when he left he told me he wish I died so he can be free, this is making me suffer because it’s such a drastic change, that man that was my king is no longer my king, the man who was a great father and partner is not in our home anymore, and I just have to be forced to move on, and watch him destroy his life with drinking, and pills. Why is he trying to move on so quick? Why did he say he was gonna work on his drinking and he’s not? Why is he getting worse? Does he want to move on that bad that he is trying to forget about me? I am still the mother of his kid and I am existing, why is he shutting me out to drink and do these things with his friends and girls. I don’t understand why every time I try to contact him he doesn’t respond and when he does, he’s just drunk out of him mind. I really love him, and I wish he would change. But I’m at the point where I’m going to keep my kids away as well, it’s not like he cares at the moment anyways. Will he end up realizing what he’s doing to the kids? After always being there and now he’s not, it doesn’t hurt him a little bit?
when He left he said he’ll pay the rent, but it’s almost the first, and he doesn’t have any money at all, just wasting it all drinking it. He hasn’t even gave me one dollar for anything. I’m so scared, i don’t know how it changed so fast, he was such a big part of our life and would do anything for us, why did it change that fast.
I also have a fear that he is going to get with this disrespectful girl too, he would left her call our kids ugly? The old him would never let anyone disrespect our kids like that. If he gets with her it would cause a lot of problems. He told me “you messaged her because we’ve been talking, you can’t message someone like that and not expect for them to say something disrespectful “ since he doesn’t care about what she said about our kids, then they just don’t need to be around him. My friends send me screenshots of him just enjoying life, talking to girls and drinking, while I’m suffering, praying he gets better with the drinking, working a part time job worrying about how I am going to pay all these bills, I will probably lose my home. I am suffering, and suffering more that he can’t see I am suffering. And even more depressed that the kids aren’t on his mind at all. Please help, it’s disrespectful all way around and it makes me want to give up and not even care if he is a good father again.
I need to hear him sober, I need him to get better, his anger, mental health, everything has changed, he is not the same, he doesn’t care about me in the matter of 3 weeks? I’ve done everything to make sure he’s trying to get better, I’ve tried AA he refused, I tried counseling and all he use to say was “I don’t need to talk to someone else about my problems” his parents aren’t gonna realize he needs help because they give him the pills he takes and buys him the liquor he drinks, he’ll drink a 30 dollar bottle of Hennessy each day or maybe wAy more, please help
this time 3 weeks ago, he left for good. We got into an argument again, and he left to his parents home. 3 days later, he apologized and told me how sorry he was, and that it’s his fault not noticing how drunk he always is. I forgave him and he said we will work on us, but will still be at his parents home so he wouldn’t treat me like this. We tried to go out on dates, to make things feel better and work on us, but he still went back home to his parents after the dates, I asked him when he was coming back, and he said he needed time to work on himself.. after the date, I went back home, and he went back to his parents. When I went to bed, I woke up the next morning everything was fine. A couple of hours later, we get into a little argument, and out of no where he says “ I don’t even want to be with you anymore, and I’ve been talking to other females” and when I begged, cried and kept calling him, he told me to “cry myself to sleep” he told me to “move on”
I was so confused, how he apologized, and now I’m being forced to move on? I tried so hard to get him to stop drinking, stop taking pills, and all this stuff, I bought him a car in may, I got him his new iPhone before I got the car. I did everything in my power to make sure he lived a life that would make him want to forget about the old one. When I got my first car, I cherished life and couldn’t even believe the life I was living before I got my stuff together! I was hoping that would be life changing for him. We deleted our facebooks when we first got together, but the whole time he was “working on us” he made a new one and was talking to girls the whole time. We were fine and now I’m forced to move on.
he left 3 weeks ago, and he does not check up on the kids like that, he’s only saw them once since he’s left. EVERYTIME I try to talk to him now he doesn’t reply, if I do get a hold of him on the phone, he’s drunk out of his mind. Each time I’ve talked to him since he’s left, it’s always been DRUNK! I haven’t even heard his sober voice since he’s left. It’s sad. he tells me he doesn’t want to see me ever again, he tells me I need to move on, and That he doesn’t care about me anymore. Also saying he doesn’t care if I’ve been talking to “10 guys already”
what Hurts more is that he’s immature, and he’s talking to these immature girls. One of them called my kids ugly, and she told me I deserved to die. And he still is trying to talk to her after she’s said all that to me.
I’m so hurt this has happened in the matter of 3 weeks, the first week he left he called me drunk saying “I love you, sorry take care of the kids” and when I brought it up the other day, he said he was just drunk and off “perks” so he didn’t mean it. I have done everything for this man, just so he can enjoy everything I’ve done with him, with everyone else. I’m so sad no one sees the helps he needs too, he’s always drunk and I haven’t even heard him sober in weeks, he’s always been a drinker, but when he was home there was atleast a moment where he was sober for about 3 hours!!! How can he just forget about us so quick.
he only asked to see them on Father’s Day, and has never reached out to see them again or ask if they’re okay, this isn’t his first time leaving. But when he use to leave he would contact me everyday, ask about the kids, and actually try to see them. When he use to leave he’s also never hung out or talked to any girls like he is now. And all his old friends are back in his life drinking and doing the same thing he is. It’s funny because They all came back once I bought him a car, when he use to leave to his parents house with NO CAR, no one would want to hang out with him, He would just stay at his parents, call me, missing us and our family and crying. Now he doesn’t contact at all. I believe the car gave him more access, I’m just wondering, if I got him a car earlier, would he would have does this earlier to me? Is he so distracted with drinking, partying, and girls that he doesn’t care anymore? I don’t know how he can go 5 years straight coming home to us, and the kids after work. Just being with us, loving us. To becoming an alcoholic and not checking up anymore.
he’s been drinking driving all day, even when he was home and I would tell him not to do this stuff he would get mad, he would get annoyed because I didn’t want him drinking, doing shrooms, or pills. He was such a great dad, he was so attached to our kids, he use to stand up for them, if anyone talked about our kids it was ON! now he’s not. And I can’t believe he would still try to talk to a female that called our kids ugly and said I deserved to die.
I sent him lots of old pics of the kids, hoping that would smarten him up a little and make him realize. So many memories, he use to cry and call me when he use to look at old pictures of us and the kids. I sent him pictures of the kids, and told them how good a dad he was and how he always use to be there, and how he would never let anyone talk about our kids, and he didn’t reply to any message. He doesn’t reply to me anymore, doiesnt want to do anything with me anymore. Right when he left he told me he wish I died so he can be free, this is making me suffer because it’s such a drastic change, that man that was my king is no longer my king, the man who was a great father and partner is not in our home anymore, and I just have to be forced to move on, and watch him destroy his life with drinking, and pills. Why is he trying to move on so quick? Why did he say he was gonna work on his drinking and he’s not? Why is he getting worse? Does he want to move on that bad that he is trying to forget about me? I am still the mother of his kid and I am existing, why is he shutting me out to drink and do these things with his friends and girls. I don’t understand why every time I try to contact him he doesn’t respond and when he does, he’s just drunk out of him mind. I really love him, and I wish he would change. But I’m at the point where I’m going to keep my kids away as well, it’s not like he cares at the moment anyways. Will he end up realizing what he’s doing to the kids? After always being there and now he’s not, it doesn’t hurt him a little bit?
when He left he said he’ll pay the rent, but it’s almost the first, and he doesn’t have any money at all, just wasting it all drinking it. He hasn’t even gave me one dollar for anything. I’m so scared, i don’t know how it changed so fast, he was such a big part of our life and would do anything for us, why did it change that fast.
I also have a fear that he is going to get with this disrespectful girl too, he would left her call our kids ugly? The old him would never let anyone disrespect our kids like that. If he gets with her it would cause a lot of problems. He told me “you messaged her because we’ve been talking, you can’t message someone like that and not expect for them to say something disrespectful “ since he doesn’t care about what she said about our kids, then they just don’t need to be around him. My friends send me screenshots of him just enjoying life, talking to girls and drinking, while I’m suffering, praying he gets better with the drinking, working a part time job worrying about how I am going to pay all these bills, I will probably lose my home. I am suffering, and suffering more that he can’t see I am suffering. And even more depressed that the kids aren’t on his mind at all. Please help, it’s disrespectful all way around and it makes me want to give up and not even care if he is a good father again.
I need to hear him sober, I need him to get better, his anger, mental health, everything has changed, he is not the same, he doesn’t care about me in the matter of 3 weeks? I’ve done everything to make sure he’s trying to get better, I’ve tried AA he refused, I tried counseling and all he use to say was “I don’t need to talk to someone else about my problems” his parents aren’t gonna realize he needs help because they give him the pills he takes and buys him the liquor he drinks, he’ll drink a 30 dollar bottle of Hennessy each day or maybe wAy more, please help
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Hi Verenchy, glad you found the forum, but sorry for what brings you here, of course.
First things first - you didn't Cause it, can't Control it and can't Cure it (the 3 c's).
You mentioned when you first met that he didn't drink a drop. When did that start to ramp up, was he drinking socially or getting plastered on a regular basis? I ask because he may have already been an alcoholic when you met him, he may have been in recovery and not drinking - but he certainly is now.
You ask how he can "forget" you all so quickly. He hasn't forgotten you, it sounds like he just doesn't care about anything anymore. He just wants his alcohol and his pills. You tried to come between him and his drugs of choice and he wants (needs) those drugs. You became the enemy. This is not unusual for addicts.
I hope you will take time to read the other threads in the forum and find out as much as you can about alcoholism (for you, not for him). There is also a book that is the most recommended here - Codependent no more, by Melody Beattie. You may want to pick up a copy as you might find it really useful. It has a lot of information about boundaries in relationships etc.
I take it he doesn't work? You may want to get a lawyer and start right away on filing for child support. If you can't afford a lawyer, contact your local law society as there are probably lawyers that will help you for little or no charge.
The best thing you can do for yourself? Take care of yourself and your children and try to focus less on him. I know, that's really tough, you are hurt and confused right now. But by consciously focusing your energy on yourself, you will find some relief. Do things you like, get outside for walks when you can. Eat well, get plenty of sleep, talk to friends, post here, read here.
First things first - you didn't Cause it, can't Control it and can't Cure it (the 3 c's).
You mentioned when you first met that he didn't drink a drop. When did that start to ramp up, was he drinking socially or getting plastered on a regular basis? I ask because he may have already been an alcoholic when you met him, he may have been in recovery and not drinking - but he certainly is now.
You ask how he can "forget" you all so quickly. He hasn't forgotten you, it sounds like he just doesn't care about anything anymore. He just wants his alcohol and his pills. You tried to come between him and his drugs of choice and he wants (needs) those drugs. You became the enemy. This is not unusual for addicts.
I hope you will take time to read the other threads in the forum and find out as much as you can about alcoholism (for you, not for him). There is also a book that is the most recommended here - Codependent no more, by Melody Beattie. You may want to pick up a copy as you might find it really useful. It has a lot of information about boundaries in relationships etc.
I take it he doesn't work? You may want to get a lawyer and start right away on filing for child support. If you can't afford a lawyer, contact your local law society as there are probably lawyers that will help you for little or no charge.
The best thing you can do for yourself? Take care of yourself and your children and try to focus less on him. I know, that's really tough, you are hurt and confused right now. But by consciously focusing your energy on yourself, you will find some relief. Do things you like, get outside for walks when you can. Eat well, get plenty of sleep, talk to friends, post here, read here.
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Welcome, Verenchy, very sorry for this situation you find yourself in. I can understand your despair and intense distress.
Sadly what you describe is common behaviours in alcoholics, please have a read around and you will see similar stories.
I thoroughly recommend "Codependent No More" too, it was an enormous help to me, also the Al-anon program was very useful as it helped me learn how to detach from the behaviours.
As TrailMix shares you have no control over what he does or does not do, all your focus needs to be on yourself and your children and getting yourselves safe.
I hear what you say about you needing him to get sober but you can't make this happen. So it becomes about protecting yourself and your children from the extreme damage alcoholics can create.
Once again, I am so sorry for your situation.
Sadly what you describe is common behaviours in alcoholics, please have a read around and you will see similar stories.
I thoroughly recommend "Codependent No More" too, it was an enormous help to me, also the Al-anon program was very useful as it helped me learn how to detach from the behaviours.
As TrailMix shares you have no control over what he does or does not do, all your focus needs to be on yourself and your children and getting yourselves safe.
I hear what you say about you needing him to get sober but you can't make this happen. So it becomes about protecting yourself and your children from the extreme damage alcoholics can create.
Once again, I am so sorry for your situation.
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I’m sorry you’re going through this, it’s very hard and painful. Sometimes you need to keep busy and stay angry to get through the first bit. He’s in his honeymoon phase of being free to drink without restrictions and you’re making him feel guilty so he needs to ignore you. I also 2nd that this didn’t escalate to this level in a year, there was definitely substance issues before.
In most areas, there is free legal advice from (in our area) legal aid, and I really think you should get your ducks in a row and file for care and custody of the kids asap and to get parental support from him. It would give you piece of mind financially at the least, and give you the power over decisions for your kids’ needs. You can also request supervised access for dad, but no guarantees that would be granted.
Is the car/insurance in his name or yours? If they’re both in yours, I’d get the vehicle back and take his name off the insurance. If you have joint bank accounts, I would close it and open a new one in just your name.
Basically, I’m saying prepare to be single and protect yourself. If things turn around, great! But it’s always better with addicts to keep financials separate for your safety. They’ll drain you quicker than you’d think possible…
Nothing you did, or didn’t do, caused his addiction, and there is nothing you can do to stop it. Don’t hold on so hard to the memory of who he was that you miss who he actually is right now.
In most areas, there is free legal advice from (in our area) legal aid, and I really think you should get your ducks in a row and file for care and custody of the kids asap and to get parental support from him. It would give you piece of mind financially at the least, and give you the power over decisions for your kids’ needs. You can also request supervised access for dad, but no guarantees that would be granted.
Is the car/insurance in his name or yours? If they’re both in yours, I’d get the vehicle back and take his name off the insurance. If you have joint bank accounts, I would close it and open a new one in just your name.
Basically, I’m saying prepare to be single and protect yourself. If things turn around, great! But it’s always better with addicts to keep financials separate for your safety. They’ll drain you quicker than you’d think possible…
Nothing you did, or didn’t do, caused his addiction, and there is nothing you can do to stop it. Don’t hold on so hard to the memory of who he was that you miss who he actually is right now.
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Thank you so much everyone for your kind words! This group is really supportive, I really appreciate you guys! I can’t really talk to my family about these things because they judge a lot. I am really grateful for you guys.
I have an update- as soon as I posted this, a couple of hours later (after ignoring me for so long) he had called me and told me he totaled the car I got him, he went to the hospital, and now he admitted he wants to go to rehab now and get better for the kids, and I totally agreed! He needs to go get better, I am extremely disappointed! It is very sad, I didn’t want be be rude to him, but I wasn’t surprised this has happened. With everything he has been doing, this isn’t a surprise. Thankfully I didn’t put anything in my name!
I am coping and learning how to move on
he might seem like partying, girls, drinking, pills and friends are fun, but it’s costing him a whole lot. I will try to be strong as I can, work overtime, keep myself busy! but I do hope he isn’t saying he’s going to get help, and then he doesn’t. That would be devastating
I have an update- as soon as I posted this, a couple of hours later (after ignoring me for so long) he had called me and told me he totaled the car I got him, he went to the hospital, and now he admitted he wants to go to rehab now and get better for the kids, and I totally agreed! He needs to go get better, I am extremely disappointed! It is very sad, I didn’t want be be rude to him, but I wasn’t surprised this has happened. With everything he has been doing, this isn’t a surprise. Thankfully I didn’t put anything in my name!
I am coping and learning how to move on
he might seem like partying, girls, drinking, pills and friends are fun, but it’s costing him a whole lot. I will try to be strong as I can, work overtime, keep myself busy! but I do hope he isn’t saying he’s going to get help, and then he doesn’t. That would be devastating
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One thing our qualifiers are very good at is "hoovering." As soon as they feel the connection with us is weakening, they engage in all sorts of behaviors to vacuum us back in, including saying what they think we want to hear (like talking about going to rehab), love - bombing, admitting to one thing (to validate our concerns, while continuing the bazillion other behaviors with no regard) . . .
It's reasonable to be thankful to hear that someone we love is ok after an accident or considering going to get help in rehab. When that person we love is an alcoholic / addict, we really have to look at their actions, not what they are saying. From what you've described, he totaled the car you bought him and is reaching out for some comfort because it really sucks that he's in that position, but he isn't actually in rehab, he isn't actually attending AA or a recovery based group, and he hasn't made any offers to pay you back for the expense of the car, or any of your living expenses. Basically nothing has changed except he's in worse shape than before and he's feeling you out to see what he can ask from you and get from you.
Focus on you and your family. Keep focusing on ways to keep your situation emotionally, financially, physically healthy and secure.
It's reasonable to be thankful to hear that someone we love is ok after an accident or considering going to get help in rehab. When that person we love is an alcoholic / addict, we really have to look at their actions, not what they are saying. From what you've described, he totaled the car you bought him and is reaching out for some comfort because it really sucks that he's in that position, but he isn't actually in rehab, he isn't actually attending AA or a recovery based group, and he hasn't made any offers to pay you back for the expense of the car, or any of your living expenses. Basically nothing has changed except he's in worse shape than before and he's feeling you out to see what he can ask from you and get from you.
Focus on you and your family. Keep focusing on ways to keep your situation emotionally, financially, physically healthy and secure.
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Originally Posted by Verenchy1 
I am coping and learning how to move on he might seem like partying, girls, drinking, pills and friends are fun, but it’s costing him a whole lot. I will try to be strong as I can, work overtime, keep myself busy! but I do hope he isn’t saying he’s going to get help, and then he doesn’t. That would be devastating
he might seem like partying, girls, drinking, pills and friends are fun, but it’s costing him a whole lot. I will try to be strong as I can, work overtime, keep myself busy! but I do hope he isn’t saying he’s going to get help, and then he doesn’t. That would be devastatingAs Sage said, he hasn't actually done anything yet, the only action he has taken is calling you to tell you his woes.
Please, for your own sake, keep your expectations low. There is nothing to indicate he won't get straight now, but there is nothing to indicate he will either. You don't want to ride that particular roller coaster I'm sure.
Even if he does seek help at rehab or AA (or anywhere!), recovery can take quite some time, so even if sober, I would, personally, be hesitant to move him right back home. After rehab there are sober houses he can live at or other facilities. This would be great to protect yourself. Be careful.
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Hi V.... I am so sorry for what brings you here and I can 100% relate to your story. I can hear the spinning and spiraling in your words. Our stories are surprisingly similar... both on time together and being disgarded and called when an "emergency" happened.
I do think it is very rare for someone at his level of drinking to get help until they hit rock bottom. I am hoping him crashing the car is rock bottom but I have a gut feeling it is not. ( I am hoping I am wrong for your sake) ...
All I can say is I know the feeling. The feeling of being in such pain from being suddenly abandoned and waffling through that for 3 weeks to having him call you and everything feels better in that moment. It is like a band aid on a huge wound... the problem is the band aid is most likely much too small for the huge gaping wound and will eventually tare off... ( hope that analogy makes sense )...
Going through what you are going through is extremely painful and though to navigate. Sending you prayers
I do think it is very rare for someone at his level of drinking to get help until they hit rock bottom. I am hoping him crashing the car is rock bottom but I have a gut feeling it is not. ( I am hoping I am wrong for your sake) ...
All I can say is I know the feeling. The feeling of being in such pain from being suddenly abandoned and waffling through that for 3 weeks to having him call you and everything feels better in that moment. It is like a band aid on a huge wound... the problem is the band aid is most likely much too small for the huge gaping wound and will eventually tare off... ( hope that analogy makes sense )...
Going through what you are going through is extremely painful and though to navigate. Sending you prayers
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