thequest

Know someone who got a dui and mandated treatment had a "misunderstanding" with the staff at the mandated treatment facility. They said they didn't really need rehab(or so he says). Loves to negotiate his own special deal for just about anything he does.

Could an addiction specialists or professionals be fooled?

Apparently bills & letters from the facility went to the "wrong" address. His attitude is the same and on que his steroid cycles for week end warrior softball season are giving a gray haired adult some nasty acne-again, sametime of year, same part of 'the season". Could steroids make for a clean urine tests not looking for steroids?

Also fishing for dollars probing and testing to see how receptive we'd be without fully asking. Same old except the issues have much more documentation behind them.

lillamy

Yeah, no - I doubt very much the rehab staff said he didn't need treatment. That's quackery in the higher school.

Treatment staff CAN be fooled though - AXH's psych and T were incredibly impressed with his commitment to recovery. Which ended when he realized he wasn't getting what he wanted out of playing along.

You're being quacked at. Big time.

fluffyflea

They can be fooled especially when they haven,t dealt with their own co-dependency issues.

Seren

As long as the therapists and staff at rehab are being complied with in person, the lies absolutely can continue. Sadly, we think my stepson probably swizzed a few professionals in his day--and there was nothing we could do about it.

dandylion

I also think it depends how experienced they are. Some are better than others. I have found that the long-recovered alcoholics are good at smelling the bs.

I suspect that he is quacking---big time.

dandylion

funkynassau

My former alcoholic friend was put in a rehab place for a month several yrs ago before I knew him. It was that or jail. So he played by the rules for a month, and the day he was released he went to the beer store on his way home, right back where he was all over again. He fooled someone at the rehab. Some of these people are amazing liars.

fedupbeyondall

My AH is a former family therapist, yes they get lied to all the time, yes they can be fooled. It happens, we're all human. And yes, the irony of his profession and the current state of our marriage is completely lost on him.

wiscsober

Sure anyone can be fooled and lied to. The hard part for the agitator is keeping all of those lies in order. It will catch up with them sooner or later. Especially with DUI matters.

Of course it would have been best to be honest from the start....but dishonestly becomes a way of life in the later stages of addiction.

Best to you also...I hope that you can keep a healthy distance from this insanity.

Hammer

Great Quote. Thank You.

thequest

Found out some more. This was an outpatient program part of his 'lighter' sentence/probation. He's says he passed all of his drug tests and shouldn't be considered as having a problem. Other's aren't passing their tests and they're supposed to be minor offenders as well. He didn't like the fact they had the actual police report/details and wondered how he got things reduced. Maybe the staff saw the initial charges and information and thought he needed more. Apparently he convinced them to take the bare minimum of sessions.

It took him a couple of months but he's back to old levels of drinking. And steroid use. I doubt they used an Olympic quality drug test. He might have even used masking agents. The program seemed to bother him more than driving record and fines.

I guess if the arrest and process isn't a wake up call nothing will be.

skippernlilg

I actually don't think many of them can be "fooled" per se, but they give the necessary information and then free the addict/alcoholic to find their own path. I believe we try to give rehab programs too much power and control in our minds, when they don't have any more power or control than we or the A did.

Tryingtoletgo3

As a professional in the field...YES! I watched my stbxah not only fool several counselors and rehab workers, but actually get to the point with two therapists where he was having affairs with them. All while drinking heavily, having abuse issues with his wife and kids, and convincing them we were the problems and he was a great guy. Many enter the field of substance abuse and counseling due to codependent personalities and the whole "stray dog" syndrome and that makes for toxic interactions when it comes working daily with fast talking, manipulative addicts. Every time my stbxah found a therapist that saw through his BS and looked at him for who he truly was, he changed. When he stayed with a therapist for a while (he was court ordered for years) I knew he was sleeping with them, which was easy to find out because we live in a small area and there aren't many of us working locally.