All big book quotes 1st edition.
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4 editions. there were a few words changed from the 1st edition. in the other 3, the 1st 164 pages are the same. the persoanl stories in the back are different between editions.
copyright stuff why we have that in our sig.
copyright stuff why we have that in our sig.
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It's a copyright issue that AA World Services insists forums like this follow.
The first edition slipped out of copyright - so quoting is fair game.
the other 3 editions are copy right protected.
the sigs just save people having to write that every time they post
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The first edition slipped out of copyright - so quoting is fair game.
the other 3 editions are copy right protected.
the sigs just save people having to write that every time they post
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I've been confused regarding this, and still am, in a small way. Since there is no copyright on the first 164 pgs, why do folks still feel the need to make this statement when quoting from these pgs (which is where most, if not all quotes are from).....?
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Cos AAWS specifically asked us to
I just work here
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Originally Posted by Morning Glory 
Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, Inc. (“AAWS”) does not grant permission to reprint segments of its literature online, with the exception of overseas A.A. General Service Offices.
Please do not post material containing AA copyrighted literature. Posts violating copyrights will be removed.
You are allowed to link to literature on the AA site as long as you post the following disclaimer with your link:
Linked with the permission of Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, Inc.
Here is an example of an acceptable post.
Big Book Chapter 3
http://www.aa.org/bigbookonline/en_BigBook_chapt3.pdf
Linked with the permission of Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, Inc.
And then you can paraphrase.
Many of us made countless attempts to quit drinking before we finally admitted we were alcoholics. etc...
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Here is the link to the Big Book first edition. The disclaimers are on the bottom of the page. If you quote material from the first edition please include in your post that it is quoted from the first edition. You may also include in your signature that all Big Book quotes are from the first edition to avoid having to write it every time you quote from the Big Book.
Big Book First Edition
Thank you for your cooperation.
Please do not post material containing AA copyrighted literature. Posts violating copyrights will be removed.
You are allowed to link to literature on the AA site as long as you post the following disclaimer with your link:
Linked with the permission of Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, Inc.
Here is an example of an acceptable post.
Big Book Chapter 3
http://www.aa.org/bigbookonline/en_BigBook_chapt3.pdf
Linked with the permission of Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, Inc.
And then you can paraphrase.
Many of us made countless attempts to quit drinking before we finally admitted we were alcoholics. etc...
__________________________________________________
Here is the link to the Big Book first edition. The disclaimers are on the bottom of the page. If you quote material from the first edition please include in your post that it is quoted from the first edition. You may also include in your signature that all Big Book quotes are from the first edition to avoid having to write it every time you quote from the Big Book.
Big Book First Edition
Thank you for your cooperation.
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Posted by Morning Glory..........:
Ok, I fibbed a bit; I'm not confused atall.
"...Please do not post material containing AA copyrighted literature..."
That's the key sentence, and the key word in that sentence is 'copyrighted.' There is no copyright covering the first 164 pages of the BB (the pages from which most folks post), or the stories in the 1st edition. Therefore, quotes from these pages need no notation.
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Ok, I fibbed a bit; I'm not confused atall.
"...Please do not post material containing AA copyrighted literature..."
That's the key sentence, and the key word in that sentence is 'copyrighted.' There is no copyright covering the first 164 pages of the BB (the pages from which most folks post), or the stories in the 1st edition. Therefore, quotes from these pages need no notation.
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It's an interesting situation to be sure. I wondered about this myself, I am always curious when one 'why' doesn't get a good answer.
I learned about the history of the copyright of the first edition, who owned it and why it was permitted to lapse, and why the copyright restrictions on the other editions continue to be vigorously enforced even on websites that do nothing but support and promulgate the word of AA. AA members have done jail time for violating this copyright, so this is indeed serious business.
Dee and MorningGlory are indeed doing their job.
I learned about the history of the copyright of the first edition, who owned it and why it was permitted to lapse, and why the copyright restrictions on the other editions continue to be vigorously enforced even on websites that do nothing but support and promulgate the word of AA. AA members have done jail time for violating this copyright, so this is indeed serious business.
Dee and MorningGlory are indeed doing their job.
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Originally Posted by freshstart57
AA members have done jail time for violating this copyright,
I ask, as jail is usually reserved for copyright violators who infringe commercially for profit.
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Sorry, he was sentenced by a Mexican court to one year in prison, but a small fine was paid instead. This happened in 1994.
The first information I read about this today was from silkworth.net. I corroborated that at Section Mexico Litigation Documents at aamo.info which has a page of pdfs called Mexico Litigation. GSOwatch.aamo.info supports this too.
A similar thing happened in Germany resulting from free distribution of AA literature to jails and hospitals.
The first information I read about this today was from silkworth.net. I corroborated that at Section Mexico Litigation Documents at aamo.info which has a page of pdfs called Mexico Litigation. GSOwatch.aamo.info supports this too.
A similar thing happened in Germany resulting from free distribution of AA literature to jails and hospitals.
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