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Old 11-05-2008, 04:16 PM
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If you're happy in recovery, you're in denial???

I'm the only member amongst my group of friends that has an addiction problem and one day they basically told me to shape up or find new friends.

I shaped up and got clean and sober. I have a lot of friends in recovery but most of them are not in recovery. Some of them don't even drink or use drugs because they just choose not to. They are normal happy people.

I'm a happy person too. Lately I've been struggling with some members in the rooms just pestering me. They treat me like I'm not normal, like I should be going through some sort of crisis and if my life is not dramatic then I must be in denial.

I'm not saying that my life is perfect, but I am happy and some people's attitude towards my joyful deminure is really getting to me. It's almost as if they would feel better if I was miserable and neurotic.

I get the comments such as "Of course, Sarah is always happy, her life is perfect ... blablabla" :chatter

It's difficult for me because I can't relate to most people in the rooms; I had a great childhood, good education, love, friends ... I simply loved to party too darn much, and I would use drugs to stay awake on those long study nights, it wasn’t a bright thing to do. It got out of control.

I went to treatment and got my life back ... I'm happy. What is wrong with that? Why am I not OK (according to some) if I’m not going through some bouts of depression, or chaos?

I'm starting to feel different; my sponsor is really being supportive but she can't really relate to my situation either.

The only thing that is starting to affect my happiness is other people telling me that I can't be this happy unless I'm in denial.

Maybe I’m projecting a few people’s opinion onto the rest of the fellowship … maybe I need to change some of my friends and make new friends that will accept me the way that I am … happy … for now :praying
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Old 11-05-2008, 04:43 PM
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Im a happy camper in recovery too....

Sure some people are not happy unless
others r miserable.....feeding on others
misery.....

Dont let anyone take away ur sunshine as
this is told to me too.

I was miserable for so long and anytime
i would try to be happy, i was hushed
up...shot down.....

Like it wasnt normal for me to be happy.

Well it is normal and it is healthy....

Today .....18 yrs sober and finally
after an almost 26 yr marriage which
just recently ended,,,,.....

I am HAPPY JOYOUS AND FREE.

TO BE ME.
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Old 11-05-2008, 04:55 PM
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I've learned to enjoy the happy parts of my life. These times come and go as do stresses and hard situations. I was giddy happy for the first year i was sober and program people didn't treat me weird about it...I have had to change friends within AA when I find that they bring me down. I prefer to be around people who support me as i learn how to better live a spiritual life sober.
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Old 11-05-2008, 05:00 PM
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Crepe hangers.

I looked at your profile. You've been sober awhile. Have you taken the steps and had a spiritual awakening as a result? Then why wouldn't you be happy, joyous and free?

I get the same thing on occasion. I have a bunch of physical challenges and live with a lot of pain. Some people think I'm "stuffing" because I'm positive 99% of the time. Can I help it if I see my challenges as having inherent gifts?

Spread the joy, sister.

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Old 11-05-2008, 05:04 PM
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I'm a happy person too. Lately I've been struggling with some members in the rooms just pestering me. They treat me like I'm not normal, like I should be going through some sort of crisis and if my life is not dramatic then I must be in denial.
You could try different meetings if they are available. That is not the norm in AA. Most of us become quite happy and the steps enable us to put our past behind us. Many come from fine homes with loving parents and many do not. In AA you get a true microscope of society.
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Old 11-05-2008, 05:17 PM
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stay happy Sarah,and do not let anyone steal your joy away.You`re fine!
If I wasn`t happy,I would need to take a look within.
Happy,Joyous,and Free indeed!
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Old 11-05-2008, 05:38 PM
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I don't listen to the negetive people I know
in or out of the AA program....

I'm sure you must have already heard this....
"I'm not responsible for what anyone else thinks of me"

That works really good for me...
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Old 11-05-2008, 05:47 PM
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yeah, if this is denial - bring it on!

I'm sicker (physically) than I've ever been in this life...
and I'm happier
more at peace within myself
contented at the lessons my actions have brought me in this world ...

more than I *EVER* thought I could possibly be.

And I've still got so far to go ...

just hang with another group, hon.
In recovery there's the people you WANT to be like...
and the people ... you don't.

There's people in recovery who talk about ideas,
talk about what they're building in their worlds
whether it's changing their window treatments
or working on their cars ...
who play cards together, who joke with love and true humor...

their actions and words bring positive results.

then there's those whose jokes are angry underneath
who can only talk about other people.
Come back and see them in a year
and they still huddle in a corner whispering about people around them.

There's no growth.
No change.
No recovery.

The first kind of people
are IN recovery.
The second kind of people...
are just not drinking.

Run TO the first kind.
SURROUND yourself with the first kind...
Run AWAY from the second.

I try to learn from both.
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Old 11-05-2008, 06:18 PM
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I agree with Steve. Alcoholics Anonymous is not therapy. I would find a new group of AAs that understand this simple concept.
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Old 11-05-2008, 06:48 PM
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as someone recently said you cant control stupid , what works for one isnt always for another , Dont let other peoples actions destroy what you have worked so hard to acheive . stick with whats workin for you ! I for one am a very happy camper , even with a lifes up and downs , why let it ruin what great things have happend , it will just spoil them ..
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Old 11-05-2008, 06:57 PM
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Old 11-05-2008, 07:18 PM
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You can be truely happy. I've seen recovering alcoholics and they were gratefully fulfilled. You go with your happy self. (((HUGE HAPPY HUGS))))
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Old 11-05-2008, 07:23 PM
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Hey Sarah29 ----

It seems that everyone has said all that I was going to say, so I'll just second, third, fourth, whateverth along and say to you.......:

Don't worry; Be happy!!!

I've had the same treatment as you've had Sarah--I've always been a rather 'happy camper' in recovery. I've realized that there is a contingent (and a not so small one at that) in AA that can't seem to discern between complacency and contentment. They seem to think that if a person isn't dealing with some 'issue' or struggling with some problem or grappling with their sobriety that that person is in denial and being complacent - the thought that that person could be content just never crosses their mind. It's a shame; they could be missing out on some really great contentment....

On a funnier note....I used to hang with some folks who used to bemoan the fact that they just didn't like themselves; they were trying, but they just couldn't get to being happy with themselves....When I told them that I loved myself; that I was totally content with myself; in fact that I preferred my own company over the company of others......I was accused of isolating...! Jeesh, sometimes you just can't win.....lol

Well, Sarah, you just keep on keepin' on. Whatever you're doing it's right for you.....you keep on being happy.....wooooohooooo


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P.S. ....not to brag (well, mebbe jes a wee bit), like CarolD, I've got a number of 24's of sobriety behind me, and with the exception of a few (and I really do mean FEW) days, for the most part of my 22+ sober years, they have been happy, joyous, and free......and clean and serene. So, there ya go Sarah, it's not only possible to be happy in recovery (and not in denial), but you can live this way for a long time too(and BTW, I have a number of close friends, all with 35+ years sober, and they would all agree here). So, in this case, this is a majority that is not all the fools on the same side, but it's a majority cause it's the TRUTH............. (o:
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Old 11-06-2008, 12:56 AM
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something I found interesting:

Why People Don't Heal and How They Can

if reading long articles bother you start on the fourth paragraph

it explains perfectly many people I know with long term (20+ years) sobriety and their "sponsee families" and friends

without getting in too much debate about the terms "recovered" and "recovery" the way it was explained to me was after I completed the twelve steps I was a "recovered" alcoholic, as in I had a disease that I would get a "daily reprieve" from and it would be "in remission" provided I followed a few simple guidelines.

The guy who explained it to me got sober in 43' so I tend to listen pretty carefully what he had to say.

That has been my experience, especially since I failed to follow those simple guidelines after many years and "relapsed" ( I hate that word, I F'ing drank lol) and the "climb back" has been tedious, but it's been my experience that once I get through the steps and get them integrated into my life and I'm generally a pretty fun and happy guy. It's also been my experience when I don't, I'm anything but fun.

So, anyhow, like the saying "misery loves company" well I found that when I was "happy, joyous and free" the people who insisted on "remaining sick" would try to "invalidate" me in many different ways (put down my program, gossip about my sex life <although that got dull as I was with the same girl forever and a day, and she has 21 years now, it was just an example> etc) in order to "protect" their illness, and if you "call them" on it, the repercussions for me were ugly, people get nasty and "hit hard" to protect their mental illness I have found...

Today, and for the last maybe, twelve-fourteen years or so, my "support group" or pals, or friends or whatever insist on having a good time and being happy, and I get a butt chew if I'm being a Gloomy Gus, which I have been lately, but for them, if I'm being consistently glum it's not because I'm doing something right, it's because I'm doing something wrong, if that makes sense.

This doesn't mean I don't process my feelings etc, but they will definitely climb up my butt if I "wallow"

Seems to me the Book even says we insist on having a good time.

/shrug

I guess for me that's what they mean by "stick with the winners"
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Old 11-06-2008, 01:34 AM
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some great advice here..let nothing steal youre joy..youve lived threw the hell of addiction why not be happy to be happy living sober and free of addiction.i had a rough life,bad childhood,etc,etc..but i aint walking around sulking and stealing others happinesss in recovery.i would look into going to differant meetings and even if no others are avalible i'd still go and be glad i could show the newcommer that they too can be happy straight..sarah, you just keep being sarah..
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Old 11-06-2008, 01:39 AM
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I have learned that there are alcoholics who still thrive on drama. Many times to the extreme of creating it. When drama is not present in their lives they are bored and unhappy. Consider yourself fortunate. Personally, I would start looking for other friends who don't thrive on drama. Sobriety should leave a person happy, joyous and free. It sometimes takes a while for people to realize that serenity can be a life free of the drama. Good luck to you. Don't let others opinions get you down.
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Unfortunately, everything that calls itself an AA group isn't. Sadly, they continue to hold meetings. These are the groups where you will hear the treatment center mantra that "you will always be a sick, suffering alcoholic". They seem to thrive off the high drama of being a "victim". In these meetings you will rarely hear solution. You will hear things like "take what you need, leave the rest", "take your time to work the steps", " you will always be recovering, you didn't get this sick overnight", and my favorite "meeting makers make it". I am a member of a strong purposeful group in AA. I am a recovered alcoholic. I have recovered from a seemingly hopeless state of mind and body. My sponsor promised me that if I would sit down with him and do everything it says to do in the Big Book starting with the title page that when I reached the 10th step, I would take my awakened spirit out into the world to be of service to God and my fellow man. That was the hook I needed. The forward to the 12&12 gives me the greatest visions of hope I can think of....The steps are a group of principles spiritual in their nature that if practiced as a WAY OF LIFE will remove the obsession to drink alcohol and enable the sufferer to live happy and usefully whole. That was worth a million bucks to me. When we got to 10,11& 12, my sponsor said, this is where the fun begins. As I began to engage in practicing the principles in all my affairs I realized that I got to AA this time with more affairs than I had principles for. My home was intact, my job was intact this time and I had no principles to take with me to them. My affairs are simple...at work, at home, at play, and in AA. No other affairs left. When I bring a principled life to all of those, my God, how it opens up my life. Obligations squarely met in all those areas. Before you couldn't count on me, today you can. Service gladly rendered....at home? Of course!!!!! Try pitching in around the house without expecting anything in return, just the desire to bring to the table instead of take from the table. Try it at work. Sure, I get paid, but when I approach the workplace as an opportunity to be of service, it is amazing what happens. Again, what can I bring to the table instead of take from the table. This is how my life gets rich. I have found that it's hard not to be happy when I'm practicing this way of life. We talk a lot about "working" the steps and there is a lot of work involved. But from where I sit today, the "working" of the steps were preparation for the real work. When preparation meets opportunity miracles happen. I believe it is impossible to be unhappy if I am perating in all three legacies. It just doesn't seem possible, because when I live this way, my life opens right up and I'm taken to places I didn't know existed. Don't ever let anyone tell you, you can't have a life that has meaning, depth and purpose. If that's what you're experiencing around you, find some real alcoholics who have recovered.
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Why am I not OK (according to some) if I’m not going through some bouts of depression, or chaos?

Hi Sarah. My sobriety is my business. I don't pay any attention to comments like the ones you sited. I've found that there are people who just thrive on drama, and negativity. They aren't happy unless their lives are in the toilet. They get attention by continuous griping about their sad state of affairs. These are the people I avoid because misery tends to love company. If you're happy, no one else has to understand why, and probably won't anyway because they're miserable and happy that way. Just keep on going, and don't worry about anything but YOUR sobriety. Other people's approval is not required for you to be happy.
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Sarah enjoy being happy, if those that are still miserable find your joy depressing just ask them "What step are you working on right now?" LOL I have a feeliing I know the answer!!!!

What you are experienceing in the meetings you are going to is a polar opposite to the ones I go to. Several of my sponsee's have told me the reason they asked me to sponsor them was because I was happy and that is what they wanted as well.

Why the hell would one want to be in recovery if they were not happy? Do not get me wrong, I still have my down in the mouth times because that is simply a part of life.

People like you describe fit into the category of "Take what you want and leave the rest!"..... Basically if someone is saying something that you do not want or need to hear, then just leave it.

Back when I was drinking I had more then one person tell me that I scared the crap out of them, I have never had any one say that to me since I got sober and took the steps.
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Old 11-07-2008, 01:16 PM
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great article,thanks for posting the link..I have a friend who I am going to pass this on too.He has bounced around to aa,ala non,coda,church,buddism and thats all I can keep up with...




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something I found interesting:

Why People Don't Heal and How They Can

if reading long articles bother you start on the fourth paragraph

it explains perfectly many people I know with long term (20+ years) sobriety and their "sponsee families" and friends

without getting in too much debate about the terms "recovered" and "recovery" the way it was explained to me was after I completed the twelve steps I was a "recovered" alcoholic, as in I had a disease that I would get a "daily reprieve" from and it would be "in remission" provided I followed a few simple guidelines.

The guy who explained it to me got sober in 43' so I tend to listen pretty carefully what he had to say.

That has been my experience, especially since I failed to follow those simple guidelines after many years and "relapsed" ( I hate that word, I F'ing drank lol) and the "climb back" has been tedious, but it's been my experience that once I get through the steps and get them integrated into my life and I'm generally a pretty fun and happy guy. It's also been my experience when I don't, I'm anything but fun.

So, anyhow, like the saying "misery loves company" well I found that when I was "happy, joyous and free" the people who insisted on "remaining sick" would try to "invalidate" me in many different ways (put down my program, gossip about my sex life <although that got dull as I was with the same girl forever and a day, and she has 21 years now, it was just an example> etc) in order to "protect" their illness, and if you "call them" on it, the repercussions for me were ugly, people get nasty and "hit hard" to protect their mental illness I have found...

Today, and for the last maybe, twelve-fourteen years or so, my "support group" or pals, or friends or whatever insist on having a good time and being happy, and I get a butt chew if I'm being a Gloomy Gus, which I have been lately, but for them, if I'm being consistently glum it's not because I'm doing something right, it's because I'm doing something wrong, if that makes sense.

This doesn't mean I don't process my feelings etc, but they will definitely climb up my butt if I "wallow"

Seems to me the Book even says we insist on having a good time.

/shrug

I guess for me that's what they mean by "stick with the winners"
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