subutex to suboxone
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subutex to suboxone
I am very worried can i switch to suboxone after taking subutex for 3 weeks? this is what the new doctor wants me to do because of the Nalaxone in it. He thinks its better if i know that i can not fell any opiates. Anyone have any experience with this?
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I would listen to your doctor and what he has to say about it. Only everyone can share their experiences here and not definite medical advice.
I have never been on these so maybe someone will come along that has experienced them.
Good luck to you and welcome!
I have never been on these so maybe someone will come along that has experienced them.
Good luck to you and welcome!
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I'm taking Subutex and told my doc that I don't want to switch. She was fine with that. Switching from Subutex to Suboxone shouldn't be a problem. Check out Suboxone.com - Office-Based Treatment for Opioid Dependence for info from the drug manufacturer.
Good luck
Good luck
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The "official" take on the situation is this:
The nalaxone in suboxone is not orally active. Your spit will neutralize it. It's only in the pill to discourage abuse (e.g. snorting it, shooting it). In theory you shouldn't tell the difference between suboxone and subutex.
The "unofficial" take is this:
Some people report a subjective difference, even side effects like headaches. I never noticed any such thing on suboxone, but it's not impossible.
The nalaxone in suboxone is not orally active. Your spit will neutralize it. It's only in the pill to discourage abuse (e.g. snorting it, shooting it). In theory you shouldn't tell the difference between suboxone and subutex.
The "unofficial" take is this:
Some people report a subjective difference, even side effects like headaches. I never noticed any such thing on suboxone, but it's not impossible.
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Suboxone in Australia
Hello,
i have been on Suboxone for over the past year or two but my doctor is in the USA. This medication has been critical in enabling my success. Before i got on it; i was dying, ODing, just out of federal prison, police, fights, etc, etc. In the past maybe 16 months i have accomplished so much. More than what most people can do in thier entire lifetime. I am even opening my own company in Shanghai. The Suboxone did not do this for me but enabled me to do it.
i have only recently moved to Australia. I now live in Brisbane for about 6 months/year. the other six months are between China, India, Singapore, Malaysia, India, and Dubai. I went to a doctor here in Queensland to get the Suboxone here a few weeks ago but like in the USA only some doctors can prescribe it; so the script was no good. The problem i have is that i have to go to the a pharmacy every day in Queensland per local regulation. That is completely impossible for me. How do Australians travel while on Suboxone? Suboxone was developed to offer patients out-patient help like with any other med. I know in the USA this is very much abused for I know many people that wont even take it because it will make them sick. So they just sell them for Heroin/coke/etc
i just arrived back from Shanghai this morning. In Shanghai i ran out of my Suboxone about 1.5weeks ago. I came down very slowly and i am ok now but i do not feel that i am ready to stay off of it now. My doctor in the USA is going to write me a precription for 60 tommorow NYC time. I only take a 1/3 of the 8mg pill so 60 would last me a half year. If my mom sends them to me here; would they be confiscated at customs? I have no forseen plan to go back to the USA for at least the near future
of coarse the most sensible thing for me to do was to stay off them and stop drinking and do the recovery thing but being honest i am not ready so it wouldnt be the best choice for me now.
any advice, suggestion, etc would be much appreciated
Best Regards,
Charles
i have been on Suboxone for over the past year or two but my doctor is in the USA. This medication has been critical in enabling my success. Before i got on it; i was dying, ODing, just out of federal prison, police, fights, etc, etc. In the past maybe 16 months i have accomplished so much. More than what most people can do in thier entire lifetime. I am even opening my own company in Shanghai. The Suboxone did not do this for me but enabled me to do it.
i have only recently moved to Australia. I now live in Brisbane for about 6 months/year. the other six months are between China, India, Singapore, Malaysia, India, and Dubai. I went to a doctor here in Queensland to get the Suboxone here a few weeks ago but like in the USA only some doctors can prescribe it; so the script was no good. The problem i have is that i have to go to the a pharmacy every day in Queensland per local regulation. That is completely impossible for me. How do Australians travel while on Suboxone? Suboxone was developed to offer patients out-patient help like with any other med. I know in the USA this is very much abused for I know many people that wont even take it because it will make them sick. So they just sell them for Heroin/coke/etc
i just arrived back from Shanghai this morning. In Shanghai i ran out of my Suboxone about 1.5weeks ago. I came down very slowly and i am ok now but i do not feel that i am ready to stay off of it now. My doctor in the USA is going to write me a precription for 60 tommorow NYC time. I only take a 1/3 of the 8mg pill so 60 would last me a half year. If my mom sends them to me here; would they be confiscated at customs? I have no forseen plan to go back to the USA for at least the near future
of coarse the most sensible thing for me to do was to stay off them and stop drinking and do the recovery thing but being honest i am not ready so it wouldnt be the best choice for me now.
any advice, suggestion, etc would be much appreciated
Best Regards,
Charles
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Originally Posted by csmith3inchina 
If my mom sends them to me here; would they be confiscated at customs?
Originally Posted by csmith3inchina
of course the most sensible thing for me to do was to stay off them and stop drinking and do the recovery thing but being honest i am not ready so it wouldnt be the best choice for me now.
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In keeping with ExJunky's advice about sub/ox/tex being an exit ramp, let me say that when I dropped off subutex I was at 1mg a day. The Addiction Specialists said that the w/d's wouldn't be that bad and you know what? They were right. In fact I had about a day or two of feeling kinda rotten then on the third day, I was starvin.
I remember Subway was running a special price on two philly chz steaks. I bought two and ate them in a row. That was on April 16th 2006. Whoa, two years next month. Thanks everyone, I'll be here all week, try the veal.
csmith3inchina;
It is later than you think. If not now, when? Doing drugs and depending on them to provide the motivation you need is wrong. And it gets worse. You may not actually be the person you are on drugs after you quit. Quit drugs, head back to base and find out who you are without drugs. That is the best advice you can get.
Now, I'm no paean of advice. I'm a comparitive youth soberwise, at the two year mark (almost), compared to many here, but at this point I can tell you that doing drugs screws with your values and masks the life you were meant to live. Do drugs, live a lie.
I remember Subway was running a special price on two philly chz steaks. I bought two and ate them in a row. That was on April 16th 2006. Whoa, two years next month. Thanks everyone, I'll be here all week, try the veal.
csmith3inchina;
It is later than you think. If not now, when? Doing drugs and depending on them to provide the motivation you need is wrong. And it gets worse. You may not actually be the person you are on drugs after you quit. Quit drugs, head back to base and find out who you are without drugs. That is the best advice you can get.
Now, I'm no paean of advice. I'm a comparitive youth soberwise, at the two year mark (almost), compared to many here, but at this point I can tell you that doing drugs screws with your values and masks the life you were meant to live. Do drugs, live a lie.
Last edited by Brewster; 03-23-2008 at 06:36 PM. Reason: One more thing.
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thinking too much
Ok thanks. I am sure the much valued advice you both have given to me is the best thing for me to do but; with my thinking, the first things that come to my head are:
Why not take a pill everyday for the rest of my life if i like the pill(s)? Also why if a med makes me different in any way; why is that wrong if the result is+? Our brains contain so many chemicals that are influenced by so many variables; there is no real "who i should be." For instance our Brains contain many illegal phsycedelic analogoges. Something as innocous as the weather effects these compounds. So why would an artificial compound that influences these compounds be bad if it gives me good? Articial chemicals are more pure than natural ones.
here is how i see life:
Can a fly ever build a computer? Can 100,000 flys in ten years ever build a computer? of coarse not because it is beyond thier comprehension. On the other end we know nothing about reality and life. A fly knows more about a computer than we know about reality. If you look at reality on a quantum level you will see that without an observation; there is no reality. also every quantum of energy/matter leaves our universe at a rate = +and- infinity
i now know that anything is possible. to do that you must know and believe that. my thinking tells me that something is working right now but i do know it is not along term fix. right now i am just having too much fun and feel it would be dangerous to continue not taking the suboxone (total of ten g/fs in a total of six different countries). i have not taken the Suboxone for maybe 1.5 weeks
with this being said i drink about a bottle of vodka per day. i rationalize this because i have never really drank much. actualy when someone first starts drinking the smooth endoplasmic reticulum cells of their liver gets enlarged and make it a more efficient organ. with time the ethanol will over tax the system and kill you. So right now all is ok but i am heading down a dead end road that must be changed or i will not make it. i am not yet ready but i need to figure this suboxone situation out
again your opinion is very much appreciated and i know it is probaly whats best for me. This response is only to throw out some thoughts.
Thanks,
Charles
Why not take a pill everyday for the rest of my life if i like the pill(s)? Also why if a med makes me different in any way; why is that wrong if the result is+? Our brains contain so many chemicals that are influenced by so many variables; there is no real "who i should be." For instance our Brains contain many illegal phsycedelic analogoges. Something as innocous as the weather effects these compounds. So why would an artificial compound that influences these compounds be bad if it gives me good? Articial chemicals are more pure than natural ones.
here is how i see life:
Can a fly ever build a computer? Can 100,000 flys in ten years ever build a computer? of coarse not because it is beyond thier comprehension. On the other end we know nothing about reality and life. A fly knows more about a computer than we know about reality. If you look at reality on a quantum level you will see that without an observation; there is no reality. also every quantum of energy/matter leaves our universe at a rate = +and- infinity
i now know that anything is possible. to do that you must know and believe that. my thinking tells me that something is working right now but i do know it is not along term fix. right now i am just having too much fun and feel it would be dangerous to continue not taking the suboxone (total of ten g/fs in a total of six different countries). i have not taken the Suboxone for maybe 1.5 weeks
with this being said i drink about a bottle of vodka per day. i rationalize this because i have never really drank much. actualy when someone first starts drinking the smooth endoplasmic reticulum cells of their liver gets enlarged and make it a more efficient organ. with time the ethanol will over tax the system and kill you. So right now all is ok but i am heading down a dead end road that must be changed or i will not make it. i am not yet ready but i need to figure this suboxone situation out
again your opinion is very much appreciated and i know it is probaly whats best for me. This response is only to throw out some thoughts.
Thanks,
Charles
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I'm just a plumber in Tennessee, but I know a thing or two about a thing or two. It's obvious you have a well developed mind and can think through things pretty well. But thinking didn't get you in to the situation you are in now and (all due respect) thinking won't get you out. Doing drugs got you in, not doing drugs will get you out. That said, perhaps you aren't ready yet. I understand that.
Somewhere in your head though, an alarm bell is going off. You've recognized that and you wondered in over here onto this forum. That's a good thing. You've gotten some valuable input to consider.
Don't wait too long though. I've had some experience here lately with people who have rationalized and waited. The results were unsatisfactory. Wouldn't want that to happen to you or anyone.
As for the idea that a person could do a pill or so a day everyday for the rest of their lives. Yes, people do that all the time. I am not one of those people, for I am an addict.
Somewhere in your head though, an alarm bell is going off. You've recognized that and you wondered in over here onto this forum. That's a good thing. You've gotten some valuable input to consider.
Don't wait too long though. I've had some experience here lately with people who have rationalized and waited. The results were unsatisfactory. Wouldn't want that to happen to you or anyone.
As for the idea that a person could do a pill or so a day everyday for the rest of their lives. Yes, people do that all the time. I am not one of those people, for I am an addict.
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+ and -
what you say is very true and should be very obvious to me. It is obvious but i am great at justifing why to not do it.
Actualy its been my life story that my abilities do much good but also do much bad for me. I can figure anything out good and bad. For example i was on drugs studying pharmacy, chemistry, biophysics, etc. Even shooting heroin in the bathroom of Uconn; i was still able to get my degree. I used my talents to write hundreds and hundreds if not more of fake prescriptions while a pharmacy major six-nine years ago. That got me arrested twice. Also as a chemist i designed and developed drugs and was sent to the fed prison camp in pennsylvania. Also my perserverance gets me very far but at the same time i am pushing my partners and bosses very hard. i have emails coming in from all over the world that people are very very very upset and worried about me. The technologies that i am fluent in are ten years advanced and besides maybe four people at the headquarters in the USA; i am the only other in the world with such knowledge. I have set out too make a million dollars by age 31 and with some very recent ideas, i am considering setting my goal as a billion in ten years. I am scared if i do make that a goal; i will have to act acordingly and its gonna be an even more bumpy ride. actualy one of the dumbest kids i ever met started this thinking of mine. I was teaching him GED work at the camp in Penn. he said that his mom told him to set your goals so high and shoot for the stars. As i see it if i want to make 100K /year as a 5 year goal;i will. but why not set my goal as a million dollars in 2 years and settle for 1.85million? please note that i am not greedy and if i had amillion dollars in my pocket right now; so what? maybe my bussiness plans will change.Maybe I would have a slightly nicer car, maybe a nicer apt but essentialy its only a car and a house. i set out to do this firstly as an intellectual challenge and secondly i do not want my children (if i decide i want em) to have a childhood like mine. i grew up with no money, in the projects, parents addicts, etc. Actualy both of my parents are in recovery for many years now but i give the the same reasons as above.
now that "all" i do is drink daily, take suboxone (not now), take SSRI, and take amphetamine from the doc to be able (to handle the other two; drinking and suboxone). This is working so far because i get up every morning and slam ideas and make things hapen. for me i consider this to be the only sober time in my life. as you know this thinking is stupid
this alarm bell has been going off since i was 18. i am now 29.
thanks for the response
BR,
Charles
Actualy its been my life story that my abilities do much good but also do much bad for me. I can figure anything out good and bad. For example i was on drugs studying pharmacy, chemistry, biophysics, etc. Even shooting heroin in the bathroom of Uconn; i was still able to get my degree. I used my talents to write hundreds and hundreds if not more of fake prescriptions while a pharmacy major six-nine years ago. That got me arrested twice. Also as a chemist i designed and developed drugs and was sent to the fed prison camp in pennsylvania. Also my perserverance gets me very far but at the same time i am pushing my partners and bosses very hard. i have emails coming in from all over the world that people are very very very upset and worried about me. The technologies that i am fluent in are ten years advanced and besides maybe four people at the headquarters in the USA; i am the only other in the world with such knowledge. I have set out too make a million dollars by age 31 and with some very recent ideas, i am considering setting my goal as a billion in ten years. I am scared if i do make that a goal; i will have to act acordingly and its gonna be an even more bumpy ride. actualy one of the dumbest kids i ever met started this thinking of mine. I was teaching him GED work at the camp in Penn. he said that his mom told him to set your goals so high and shoot for the stars. As i see it if i want to make 100K /year as a 5 year goal;i will. but why not set my goal as a million dollars in 2 years and settle for 1.85million? please note that i am not greedy and if i had amillion dollars in my pocket right now; so what? maybe my bussiness plans will change.Maybe I would have a slightly nicer car, maybe a nicer apt but essentialy its only a car and a house. i set out to do this firstly as an intellectual challenge and secondly i do not want my children (if i decide i want em) to have a childhood like mine. i grew up with no money, in the projects, parents addicts, etc. Actualy both of my parents are in recovery for many years now but i give the the same reasons as above.
now that "all" i do is drink daily, take suboxone (not now), take SSRI, and take amphetamine from the doc to be able (to handle the other two; drinking and suboxone). This is working so far because i get up every morning and slam ideas and make things hapen. for me i consider this to be the only sober time in my life. as you know this thinking is stupid
this alarm bell has been going off since i was 18. i am now 29.
thanks for the response
BR,
Charles
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Charles;
OOOkayy. I guess before you get it, it will have to get you. Make no mistake, like a freight train bearing down on a vehicle between the crossing gates, you are a target for your addiction(s). Few escape at our level without moving the mark across the board towards any of a number of solutions.
I'm moving on. You will eventually have to face it.
Good luck with that.
OOOkayy. I guess before you get it, it will have to get you. Make no mistake, like a freight train bearing down on a vehicle between the crossing gates, you are a target for your addiction(s). Few escape at our level without moving the mark across the board towards any of a number of solutions.
I'm moving on. You will eventually have to face it.
Good luck with that.
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Originally Posted by csmith3inchina
thank you and i am being very sincere
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Switching from subutex to suboxone should be a piece of cake. Listen to XJ, he knows what he's talking about. The only difference is that you can't shoot up suboxone, and you can shoot up subutex. As long as you take it sublingually as prescribed, the effects of the two pills are IDENTICAL. And both of them block other opioids from getting you high, so your doctor, I'm sorry to say (although I find myself saying it alot on these boards) doesn't know s*it from shinola about buprenorphine. I'd find me another doctor if it was me, assuming you heard them right...
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