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| Administrator | Overcoming the Need to Fix
by James J. Messina, Ph.D. & Constance M. Messina, Ph.D What is the need to fix? The need to fix is:
If your compulsive need to control others by "fixing" them is not resolved, they you:
The need to fix is a control issue because:
Examples of irrational thinking which leads you to the need to fix other people, places, or things are:
In order to overcome being a compulsive "fixer" you need to:
Step 1: In your journal, you first need to list and identify all persons, places, and things with whom you are a ``fixer.'' A. The people I feel a need to "fix'' are: B. The places I feel a need to "fix'' are: C. The things I feel a need to "fix'' are: Step 2: For each person, place, or thing identify the following: A. What are the issues that need fixing? B. For whom are these issues a problem? Are they a problem for you, a problem for the other, or a problem for both of you? C. How openly has the other admitted these issues are problems and how have they asked for your help to ``fix'' them? D. How has the other tried to take steps to solve or "fix'' these problems on their own? How successful have they been? Step 3: You next need to identify what are the "hooks'' in your relationship with each person, place, or thing that keep you in your addicted fixer role. For each person, place, or thing you identified in Step 1 now identify which of these twenty hooks exist for you and put an X next to it.. Emotional Hooks Self Assessment ___ ( 1) Your sense of guilt if they should get worse ___ ( 2) Your sense of over-responsibility ___ ( 3) Your sense of obligation ___ ( 4) Your fantasy of a change in the relationship ___ ( 5) Fear of losing them ___ ( 6) Your need to be needed ___ ( 7) Your need to control others ___ ( 8) Your fear of going insane if they don't change ___ ( 9) Your overemotional enmeshment or attachment with them ___ (10) Your need for approval and recognition ___ (11) Your need to be seen as a "helper'' who does good for others ___ (12) A martyr complex. This is your role in life to clean up the messes which others make in your life ___ (13) A sense that they can't do it without you ___ (14) A way of keeping the focus off your needs by keeping the spotlight on help of others ___ (15) The others don't recognize that you are an addicted fixer with them ___ (16) Your own low self-esteem and unhealthy way of thinking, feeling, and acting ___ (17) Your inability to emotionally detach from others who are in a toxic relationship with you ___ (18) Your competitive need to look more knowledgeable, wiser, and more "together'' than the other ___ (19) Your need to ensure that your current life is not as dysfunctional as your past life was ___ (20) Your "pride'' that only you can correct or fix things for others Step 4: Once you identify the "hooks'' in the relationship with each person, place, and thing for whom you are an addicted fixer, then you need to develop rational, healthy alternative beliefs which allow you to "let go'' of the need to "fix'' them. Step 5: You then need to get support from your own network of support to "let go'' of the need to "fix'' these persons, places, and things. Step 6: You need to give back to each person, place, and thing the responsibility for their own actions and solutions to their problems. Step 7: You need to seek your Higher Power's strength as you cease your "fixer'' role in the lives of these persons, places, and things. Step 8: If you find yourself relapsing into the "fixer'' role again with any person, place, or thing, then return to Step 1 and begin again. |
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I get confused as to when it's ok to help/fix and when it's not. Should I never offer help? If someone is struggling with something, I always thought we should reach out to them because I would want someone to do the same for me. Also, would it help the A in my life to read this to understand my "need to fix" or because he's in denial would it really just be wasted info. and an attempt on my part to be controlling? |
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Read these on manipulation and responsibility astchr and see if you can sort out what is manipulation and avoiding responsibility and what is a real need for help. http://www.soberrecovery.com/forums/...ipulation.html (Eliminating Manipulation) http://www.soberrecovery.com/forums/...nsibility.html (Accepting personal responsibility) |
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MG Thank you so much. I found ALL of this really applicable and will save it. A sticky, yes.
__________________ i close my eyes and see clearly i stop trying to listen and hear truth i am silent and my heart sings i seek no contact and find union i am still and move forward i am gentle and need no strength i am humble and remain whole (ancient taoist meditation) |
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I understand the gist of what all of this is saying. I see how I myself am guilty of this, and need to start doing a lot of hard work on myself. I know that on the Emotional Hooks Self-Assessment I have about 14 of the 20 issues listed. I get it and I accept it and I am working on it. With that said.... Quote:
I understand the problem is the extent to which people take their need to help the other, and I know I made my boyfriend's problems mine and was completely enmeshed. I'm guilty of that. However, on occasion, some of this stuff sounds a little hokey to me. I don't think I was being selfish, I think I was trying to help the only way I knew how, until I ran into a wall enough times to learn that nothing I could say or do would work. I by no means intended to negate the ideas in this post, there's a lot of truth and wisdom there. ANd I know we're supposed to take what we need and leave the rest. But the above point is a little hard for me to swallow in that it seems so unfair to people with good intentions. | |
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(((deax))) keep up the good work on yourself. Keep the focus on YOU, not HIM. Soon, you will know what "normal" (for you) is. After a long emotional involvement with an addict/alcoholic, we lose our internal compass. It gets fixed on THEM like a "magnetic north". It gets better each day you choose to take care of yourself and your needs without the angst of caretaking an addict.
__________________ i close my eyes and see clearly i stop trying to listen and hear truth i am silent and my heart sings i seek no contact and find union i am still and move forward i am gentle and need no strength i am humble and remain whole (ancient taoist meditation) |
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Thanks MG. Do the Messinas have books out? Can you recommend any? I think the 3 links are very helpful. Deax, I think it's normal to want things to be better but it's an issue of balance. When the fix it desire is so strong that itt takes over all else, we need to look at it. For me, it is initially painful to let go but I know that it's the only real way to 'help' and that fear eventually subsides. It is so challenging with those we love to let go. best wishes, Reikihelps |
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This comes from http://coping.org/ I don't see a place to buy a book, but there is a lot of information on the site. |
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I noticed some time back that I am one of those people - that has always felt the need to fix things for everyone. I have learned to take a "hands off" approach and I've noticed that I am no longer carrying everyone else's stress for them. I can empathasize and sympathasize but their problems and issues aren't mine to own. Anyways..just wanted to respond to this post as I, too, am a recovering "fixer". |
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I was one of those people many years ago until I took custody of 3 year old ADHD child. His mother was an addict. This child left me with no energy to help any one. Now that I am older I look at things a little more objectively. If you had heart problems you wouldn't go to a mechanic for help. In other words people on drugs or alcohol don't need you. What they really need is professional help. If you are one of those people who have unexplainable desire help or change someone that you are intimately in love with then that's something a little different. If you are a female that had a bad relationship with your father or a male that had a bad relationship with your mother you may be unconsciously trying to fix your bad relationship with your parent through your significant other. |
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Dear azt, i think the way to know the difference in helping is this: are you doing something they can do for themselves. Also, if you pay close attention to where in your body you feel the need to help ie, you can tell the difference between conflict that someone isn't do what you think is best for them vs a heartfelt lighter feeling to help. |
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I think you kinda hit on something here...maybe some of us were not classically "codependent" before entering into a relationship w/an alcoholic, and you could be right that in the beginning, the magnitude of the problem hasn't yet dawned on us. So, we just "try to help". But after awhile, we get this nagging sense that we're futilely trying to pull a drowning person to shore who doesn't want to go. When we continue this pulling past the point when a rational person would just, give up, is when we enter the realm of true codependency. That's when it's dangerous-because our desire to "save" the person starts to subsume our own self-protection mechanisms. We end up risking our own health, livelihoods, sanity, and peace - and for what?? No joy or reward comes of it...just the day in, day out, the crazy chaos of life with an alcoholic, which we eventually start to accept as "normal", becomes our fate. That's true codependency. Quote:
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And...are you doing it for THEM? Or for yourself? Someone on this forum once said "when I say it once, it's for you. When I keep saying it, it's for me." Quote:
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