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When I first read the Small Book I was really put off by the author's hatred of AA. I am not an AA person but I gained so much from RR I was able to set aside the hatred of AA and take what I needed from RR. It worked so much better for me than AA in many ways. It gave me an understanding of addiction that I hadn't got from AA. It seemed to fit better into what I believed about the nature of alcoholism and drug addiction. I guess my point is, study anything you can about addiction. Use what works for you, what makes the most sense. As long as you stay sober, AND happy, what difference does it make what path you take? Love, Lenina |
I read the "New Cure" and the "Small Book". For recovery they explain one technique "AVRT" which is thought recognition and nothing more. The books point out the obvious, that it is important to recognize the thoughts that tell you it is ok to drink or use. So I did. I was able to point out the thoughts in my head that told me to drink. Super! Now what? See, the "Rational" recovey books don't teach you what to do with those thoughts. To say that it is a limited recovery program is putting it mildly. After that, 90% of the book is choc-full of Jack Trimpey's hatred of 12 step programs. Jack is a hateful, arrogant person. I've met him in real life and he is as much that way in person as he is in his writing. |
Everyone is different, if one finds a program that keeps them sober long term go for it. The one thing I do not understand is how does attacking other programs help with ones sobriety? As others have already said, take the good that works for you and leave what is of no help behind. I have read a little bit on Rational recovery, but found the bashing to be un-needed and figured why bother with it, I am sober & happy already. |
Originally Posted by bartender129
(Post 2200943)
For recovery they explain one technique "AVRT" which is thought recognition and nothing more. The books point out the obvious, that it is important to recognize the thoughts that tell you it is ok to drink or use. So I did. I was able to point out the thoughts in my head that told me to drink. Super! Now what? See, the "Rational" recovey books don't teach you what to do with those thoughts. To say that it is a limited recovery program is putting it mildly. After that, 90% of the book is choc-full of Jack Trimpey's hatred of 12 step programs. Jack is a hateful, arrogant person. I've met him in real life and he is as much that way in person as he is in his writing. Jack is arrogant and hateful??? Gee, wonder why.... I have gotten pretty good at recognizing that voice... right!!... Super, NOW WHAT!!! What about serenity, happiness, gratitude, finding meaning and purpose in life? If all I was doing was recognizing the voice, I'd be a wreck... because that voice is still speaking... why??, I can hear it?, but how do I make it stop?!! AA, for me, quiets that voice, now that's what I want!! Mark |
I know this is quite an old thread but I've been reading up on AVRT today and was quite taken with it. Like most say though, I can't understand the pathological hatred of AA and the subscription for accessing the forum put me right off. I'm really disappointed. I know I need to find an alternative to AA as I've spent years trying to 'get it' and I just can't. I looked at SMART but what a people's experiences with this? (Alera, you seem really knowledgable on this - Please can you point me in the right direction) x |
none Good day all...I have tried AA several times in the past without long term success..I won't go into the many reasons why. But I did find RR to be very successful for me despite the fact that it was written by a curmudgeon!!:e058: I seem to work best with this plan. But then, I also was not a severe alcoholic. I do think that he attacks AA too much but maybe he has been attacked..I don't know. |
Lula, in the alcoholism forum there is a sticky with a ton of other recovery methods, this isn't an AA forum.. AA is just one of many things people work in their recovery. I don't, a lot of people here don't. There are many many many other ways. Here's the sticky post.. There is healing and hope for those willing to work for recovery... Alcoholics Anonymous Alcoholics Anonymous Dually Diagnosed Questions and Answers about DRA LifeRing Secular Recovery Home Page of LifeRing Secular Recovery SMART SMART RecoveryŽ SOS - Secular Organisations for Sobriety index.html Women for Sobriety Welcome to Women For Sobriety, Inc. Information and analysis about addiction treatment and harm reduction: The Stanton Peele Addiction Website A useful AA reference: Online AA resources (not official AA): Online AA Recovery Resources Moderation Management, the one group that deals with moderate drinking; useful for the guidelines: Moderation Management Some variations on 12 Step: Agnostics AA: Agnostic A.A. Meetings in New York City Alcoholics Victorious (Christian 12 step): The 12 Steps and Bible References Pagan approach to 12 steps: Anodea Judith: Pagan 12-Step(Part 1 of 4) Another Christian recovery site: Celebrate Recovery Rabbi Twerski's interpretation of the 12 Steps from a Jewish perspective: JACS Library - Literature And.... Phone Contact... The National Drug and Alcohol Treatment Referral Routing Service available at 1-800-662-HELP. This service can provide you with information about treatment programs in your local community and allow you to speak with someone about alcohol problems Hopeline-dot-com has free 1-800 line that will connect any caller in the US who needs help to a certified crisis center nearest the caller's location. Services are available 24 hours a day, seven days a week. The number is: 1- 800-784-2433 Thanks to SR member Gretter Dee..... here is info on Alcohol and Drugs for those in the UK FRANK - Home page |
oops, please see the sticky for active links, I forgot those don't 'translate' in copy/pasting :) |
heres that link for recovery programmes Smacked mentioned :) http://www.soberrecovery.com/forums/...resources.html D |
Originally Posted by lulamay
(Post 2395207)
I know this is quite an old thread but I've been reading up on AVRT today and was quite taken with it. x Now, here's something interesting. One of the things on that AVRT site was to also make a commitment to never seeking group support. Never getting sucked into a group or addict or disease mentality. As much as the site said that "rang true," the very next site I went to was this one! To see how other folks were doing and how other folks were doing it. Because for me, it may be remote internet support in the comfort of my home, but it's still a lifeline of sorts. So I guess I'm an example of "take what you need and leave the rest." |
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