Originally Posted by
dwtbd 
To try and tie this all back into the OP, reminds me of an old Steve Martin routine:
" How to be a millionaire and not pay taxes.... first get a million dollars.."~
I think many recovered people would attest and promote the idea that abstinence 'produces' certain long term effects , physical , mental, and spiritual and most likely both as a goal and then natural outcome.
The leap of faith required , at least what I would /do tell people is to believe this is a universal effect.
"how to be abstinent and then basically forget what it feels like to 'want' to be drunk, or even fathom why someone would want that ... first get abstinent"
That is precisely what I have been trying and perhaps failing to say.
Recoveryism rampant in society is of the belief that you are first defective and must get lots of other things straightened out before you can ever stop drinking.
AVRT says stop drinking and lots of defects will disappear.
If making the decision to no longer be ambivalent comes described as mystical or deep or profound, that depends on the person. Any adjective will do I suppose.