The purpose of this thread was primarily to present, in their own words, the views of different recovery programs about abstinence. It's great to have other quotes from those programs, and the suggestions about other organizations. Discussions about the validity of the different groups seem like topics for new threads. It would be great if we could develop some of this information, with links, so that newcomers could compare. Then, perhaps if we avoid controversy, such threads could become sticky's for future reference....