just a quick observation - tiburon (which means shark in spanish) has been talkin nonsense about AA since he got here. that's cool, but why is everyone so excited to weigh in on why he should give AA another shot? AA'll be here with or without him. if you really work the program and have read the big book, you should've read in working with others where bill talks about turning attention to new guys that WANT sobriety, not haters who want to bitch about their sad phone tree and how AA let them down. c'mon now, stop the madness.
tiburon - if you're a real alcoholic, then you'll either get sober through whatever means you achieve real sobriety, or you'll die. i've seen it happen, and probably you have too. good luck, brother.