Your reply was encouraging WTBF...thank you! Right now my boys are angry and have very low self esteem. Hopefully with the right counseling, meetings and maturation, they will come through with some wisdom and direction. Typically they resist the help because at 13 & 15, they feel every waking moment should be spent with friends. I'm pretty sure we'll get there...thanks to very supportive surroundings. Your sons are lucky they had you and you are even more blessed with their acknowledgment.