It never works, I've threatened, cried, threatened some more, the alcohol always wins. I guess you and me both need to learn more about detachment (one sticky above has a great link about this, I read it many times a day). One that really hits home is... detatchment is "ability to allow people to be who they really are rather than who you want them to be". Also, "willingness to accept that you cannot change or control a person.....". We cannot make them stop, no matter how hard we try, it's a lost cause. We need to detatch from the situation (although I find that very hard with kids in the house)...not stress over it. Maybe someday they'll come around, by their own will. Good luck to you.