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Atheist/Agnostic AA groups, how do they work? I have been considering proposing an Atheist/Agnostic group for our region. There isn't one locally and i feel there may be a need for one. I know i certainly would get something from it and i know one or two others that may be interested in it too. How does it work to set one up though? Is it a case of just proposing it. Does the group operate on the same basis as usual meetings, but perhaps without a closing prayer? I am just looking for a bit of advice from anyone who may attend such a group. Paul |
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hey, I'm glad you are looking at this. Our town is too small to support one i think, but maybe not. There is alot more than just the prayer to work out I think... Dig....you could help me out by posting in the secular 12 step section. I think it is a good place for those who want to practice the 12 steps and possibly attend AA (although not everyone does who practices 12 steps). Just a place to share how we do it in a more specific way and to deal with our problems and solutions to the issues of steps as a secular person. :ghug I would say mostly the whole different meeting thing would come down to who comes and how they share... |
Didg, this is what is read before the atheist & agnostic meeting that I sometimes attend. I don't necessarily agree with it all, but I thought it might be helpful to you. And not everyone that attends actually uses the AA program, myself included. I really much prefer the LifeRing meeting format. It's a lot less formal and crosstalk (back and forth discussion) is not only allowed but encouraged. And the only group dogma is "don't drink or use". But for now, this meeting is the closest thing I have, aside from the local treatment group I just started attending. MEETING FORMAT [Chairperson, introduce yourself, then read the following:] Welcome. This is a meeting of AGNOSTICS & ATHEISTS IN RECOVERY. We are an addiction recovery meeting for those who may not believe in supernatural intervention in human affairs and who are open to other ideas which have helped individuals to free themselves from addiction. Our intention is not to promote agnosticism or atheism but to provide a meeting for addicts who want to explore and develop additional paths to recovery from addiction and addictive behavior. We know from our own experience that any human can recover from addiction if he or she truly wants to recover. We believe that recovery requires two basic elements: an individual's strong desire to end addictive behavior and, since the human being is also a social animal, a support group of empathetic individuals to share her or his recovery experience with. In this meeting, our common goal is to communicate among ourselves and with newcomers the ways we have found that work for us to stay free of our addictions and to share how recovery works and feels on a day to day basis. Also we acknowledge the help that Alcoholics Anonymous is to many of us in our quest for continuous sobriety and recommend the book of Alcoholics Anonymous for further understanding of addiction and recovery. We suggest there are several stages in the recovery process: First, we must develop a strong desire to get free and stay free of addiction (1st step.) Second, we are stubborn individualists, but we strive to quit fighting everything and everybody and to learn to listen respectfully to the thoughts and feelings of others in recovery and people who share the globe with us. (2nd and 3rd steps.) Third, we want to develop and maintain a process of honest self-evaluation by which we come to face ourselves and to understand our relationships with others. (4th and 10th steps.) Fourth, through self-evaluation, we discover that many addicts feel a strong sense of fear, guilt and/or shame which isolates us from other human beings, and therefore we try to share with others, or with a chosen individual, the sources of our alienation, hoping to alleviate our isolation. (5th step.) Fifth, once we understand our behavior, which has often been self-destructive and harmful to others, we try to develop the humility to amend our destructive habits, to be willing to change our attitudes about life and to repair our damaged relationships with others. We strive for a "completely new set of conceptions and motives" in our lives. (Alcoholics Anonymous, p.27 and 6th through 9th steps.) Sixth, after we are free of our addictions for a period of time, we strive to find ways to continually stretch our humanity and to become participating members of the larger community, always remembering the lessons we learn in recovery and looking for ways to be of use to others and to addicts like ourselves. (11th and 12th steps.) It is the consensus that these shares be about addiction and recovery, not a forum about one's beliefs or non-beliefs or other peoples' beliefs. If you have one, please turn off your phone. We are now ready for individual sharing. Share when you are moved to share. Speak once and try to remember how many are left to speak and how much time remains for sharing. Please don't interrupt others when they are speaking. If time remains after everyone has shared, you many speak again, but the chairperson will end this meeting at [10am]. Let's open with a few minutes of meditation to focus our thoughts on why we are here and on what we want to accomplish this morning. [After a time of silence, indicate that it's time to start sharing and ask for topics.] Is there anyone attending their first or second AA meeting ever? Anyone in their first 30 days? [SHARING AND PASS THE BASKET] [At 10am:] "It's time to close the meeting. Please remember that everything you have heard here must remain strictly confidential. We'll close the meeting with a few moments of silence to consider what we've accomplished this morning." [After a time announce] "The meeting is now closed." [If someone turned off a cell phone, remind them to turn it on again.] |
Hey DK - thanks for posting this info re the A & A AA meeting format that you attend. Having been to traditional AA meeting, I felt great relaxation in reading this through. Good to know this offshoot of AA exists. |
The AA association in Toronto has an SOS group. I think I saw somewhere that this is a secular thing. Can anyone tell me about SOS and what it is about? |
LifeRing branched off of SOS (Secular Organization for Sobriety). Addiction - Non 12 Step - Support Group - Index |
Thanks DK. That is kinda what I thought. I am confused as to why this SOS group appears to be associated with AA, as it is listed on the AA website under AA meetings. I may have to go and check it out and see what is doing. It may just be another AA meeting that is using SOS as their meeting name. If I go I will report back in. Have a good day all I am off to the gym. |
Originally Posted by Fubarcdn
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I am confused as to why this SOS group appears to be associated with AA, as it is listed on the AA website under AA meetings. I may have to go and check it out and see what is doing. It may just be another AA meeting that is using SOS as their meeting name. If I go I will report back in. |
I really like the sound of that meeting DK! Thanks for posting that. :) Good luck didg, hope you get it sorted - there needs to be more access to rational recovery in the uk imho. :biggthump |
jeeez do all brits sort??? seems you spend all your time "sorting" snirkle |
Originally Posted by ananda jeeez do all brits sort??? seems you spend all your time "sorting" snirkle Paul |
Originally Posted by ananda
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jeeez do all brits sort??? seems you spend all your time "sorting" snirkle Lovely jubbly!:e058: |
If you haven't found it yet, there is a gen-you-wine openly agnostic A.A. group in Toronto now. We are called "Beyond Belief", and we meet at 6:30pm on Thursdays at OISE/UT (on Bloor West near the St. George subway station), usually in room 2-198. If we haven't seen you there yet, hope to see you there. We also have an online face, and are working to get the word out (against some back current, as you may imagine). |
I attend an agnostic AA meeting weekly. There is an opening and closing statement read by a moderator. I can't remember the precise language, I'll try to get it this week and bring it back to the forum. It is mentioned in our opening statement that members may feel free to express their religious beliefs, or their absence or rejection of religious beliefs. Between the opening and closing statement, people from the group share. The moderator tries to come up with a topic each week, but sometimes the group is encouraged to talk about anything they want. At some point a basket is passed, as there is a charge to use the building from 7:30 to 8:30 PM once a week, and the donations from individual members pay for that. There is coffee but no food, there are reading materials such as pamphlets, interpretations of the 12 steps from different perspectives (such as atheist agnostic and pagan), and the moderator usually brings a stack of books about recovery. There is no prayer or meditation. My group is small, sometimes only three or four people show up. When that happens, we sometimes skip the formalities and just sit around talking. I believe that interacting with people who are struggling with the problem of alcohol or drugs provides very helpful support in the recovery process. |
WOW! The thought of an entire GROUP that is agnostic or atheist -- or even secular -- has never occurred to me. What a fantastic thing that would be! I can just imagine if there was such a group where I lived, though... The locals would all be out with their torches and pitchforks :) -Goat |
interesting. i dont know of such a version of the steps where i come from but I go to alanon and while some have a God of their own understanding there are atheists and agnostics and it seems to work out fine. thanks for sharing. |
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Thanks Alera...I kept thinking it seemed like it was in the wrong place :) good thread though :) |
Originally Posted by ananda
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Thanks Alera...I kept thinking it seemed like it was in the wrong place :) In the future, if anyone here sees a thread that you feel belongs in another (secular or otherwise) forum feel free to hit the report icon that looks like this. http://www.soberrecovery.com/forums/...ons/report.gif In the report itself, just say that you think it belongs in another secular forum. It makes it easier to moderate if you bring my attention to a post I may have missed. |
I talked with an AA who is also an atheist with ~ 38 years. He believes there is more religious expressions and more structure to general AA meetings than the used to be. He attributes it to more people coming to AA from the treatment centers. I don't know about that. I have about half that time...I did not come into the program from a treatment center. But I have been sober since my first meeting...I do not/cannot have another drink. I am still comfortable with the AA program. When people get religious or too spiritual for my liking, I state that the AA Preamble. |
Opening and closing statements Opening Statement Welcome to the [AA group meeting Name] meeting of Alcoholics Anonymous. My name is [your name] and I’m an alcoholic. Alcoholics Anonymous is a fellowship of men and women who share their experience, strength and hope with each other that they may solve their common problem and help others to recover from alcoholism. The only requirement for membership is a desire to stop drinking. There are no dues or fees for A.A. membership; we are self supporting through our own contributions. A.A. is not allied with any sect, denomination, politics, organization or institution; does not wish to engage in any controversy, neither endorses nor opposes any causes. Our primary purpose is to stay sober and help other alcoholics to achieve sobriety. This group of A.A. attempts to maintain a tradition of free expression, and conduct a meeting where alcoholics may feel free to express any doubts or disbeliefs they may have, and to share their own personal form of spiritual experience, their search for it, or their rejection of it. We do not endorse or oppose any form of religion or atheism. Our only wish is to assure suffering alcoholics that they can find sobriety in A.A. without having to accept anyone else's beliefs or having to deny their own. Closing Statement In closing, I would like to quote Bill Wilson from his book Alcoholics Anonymous Comes of Age: Who first suggested the actual compromise words I do not know, but they are words well-known throughout the length and breadth of AA today: In Step Two we decided to describe God as a "Power greater than ourselves." In Steps Three and Eleven we inserted the words "God as we understood him." From Step Seven we deleted the expression "on our knees." And, as a lead-in sentence to all the steps we wrote the words: "Here are the steps we took which are suggested as a Program of Recovery." AA's Twelve Steps were to be suggestions only. Such were the final concessions to those of little or no faith; this was the great contribution of our atheists and agnostics. They had widened our gateway so that all who suffer might pass through, regardless of their belief or lack of belief. [Alcoholics Anonymous Comes of Age New York: Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, 1957, p. 167] |
What a great post - I wish there was an agnostic/atheist group around my part of the country. London is a bit far, I'm afraid... It is really interesting to read the format of the meetings, and I look forward to the chance to attend one. Keep it comin! |
Indianapolis Area Atheist & Agnostic Meeting I'm happy to announce the formation of a meeting in the Indianapolis, IN area specifically designed to serve atheists, agnostics, free thinkers, humanists, rationalists... A weekly Open Meeting of Alcoholics Anonymous designed to serve those of us who have doubts about - or no belief in - a supernatural higher power. In this group, we don’t consider any part of our literature infallible or sacrosanct, and we recognize the historic and cultural context in which AA initially developed. We are grateful for those founders and their passionate dedication to helping other alcoholics achieve sobriety. We simply prefer to focus on the tangible, measurable actions and attitudes in the steps and how we can implement them into our lives in order to achieve and maintain our individual sobriety. Thursday Nights, 6:30PM - 7:30PM The Big Room Upstairs @ The Carvel Club 4627 Carvel Ave., Indianapolis, IN 46205-2022 |
There's an Agnostic AA meeting a mere block from my apartment. I go occasionally, but I don't really like the vibe of the meeting. It is a small meeting and there always long awkward silence. I wish I could make it a more comfortable meeting, but I guess I could also just accept it for what it is... |
I'm thinking of going to the Agnostic AA meeting in Hollywood tonight. Anyone from here going to be there? |
Originally Posted by carlri
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I'm thinking of going to the Agnostic AA meeting in Hollywood tonight. Anyone from here going to be there? That "We Agnostic" meeting has been there for 25 years. We read apendix 2 only and then the promises at the end, and then the prayer "When anyone anywhere reaches out for help. I want the hand of AA to be there." That meeting is an official AA meeting. |
Just substitute dog and higher purpose for "God" and spirituality with healthy maintenance of neuro receptors. Regular AA can work just as well for us athiests and agnostics even when we overly obssessive concerning semantics. |
cool..sounds like you two may meet F2F...let us know how it goes guys :) |
Originally Posted by carlri
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I'm thinking of going to the Agnostic AA meeting in Hollywood tonight. Anyone from here going to be there? |
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