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GreenSweater 01-18-2019 01:46 PM

GS Accountability Thread
 
I've seen folks do this, so hopefully it's OK to start my own accountability thread. Today is Day 4, and I am really going to give it my all this time.

MantaLady 01-18-2019 02:45 PM

Great idea GS, congrats on reaching your Day 4!! Keep up the good fight xx

Dee74 01-18-2019 03:40 PM

Good for you GS :c014:

what other kinds of things are in your recovery toolbox this time? :)

D

least 01-18-2019 03:59 PM

I hope you utilize this forum and post every day. Especially if you have the desire to drink. Post here instead of drinking. :)

Purplrks3647 01-18-2019 05:37 PM

Good idea GS :) Any plans for the weekend?

WaterOx 01-18-2019 05:51 PM

:You_Rock_

GreenSweater 01-18-2019 05:54 PM

Plans for the weekend: sleeping, actually eating food, exercising, coming here.

Plans for the toolbox: I'm not so sure, to be completely honest. I feel like I know everything I need to know, but it still isn't sticking for longer than a few weeks or a few months at a time. I need to dig deep and figure out how to make a truly transformative change.

Thanks for the support, everyone.

Tonymblue 01-18-2019 06:07 PM

Great work on getting day 4. Keep it going.

GreenSweater 01-19-2019 05:34 AM

Checking in for day 5. Should be good today.

GreenSweater 01-19-2019 12:15 PM

A lot of my drinking feels like mania. It's not a craving, it's not an urge. It's not throwing in the towel. It's not depression. It's not any of those things. It's like I can feel my energy building and getting to an almost euphoric tipping point where I feel invincible and unstoppable. Nothing is further from my mind than sobriety. I'm on top of the world, even before I take a drink. The drinking itself isn't the climax. What follows is the predictable wave: over the top, out of control, self-destructive behavior. Then, inevitably, there is a crash. Depression, self-loathing, etc. When the physical symptoms of the bender abate, I enjoy the calm that follows. It's like I've purged something or released something.

The cycle is very exhausting. Describing it helps me recognize it. And hopefully change it. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter why I drink, just that I stop.

Purplrks3647 01-20-2019 06:10 AM

That's an interesting way to put it GS....almost like the buildup to a movie, and then the outcome is a disappointment 'cause the expectations were so high....that's how it is for me anyway....

Hope your weekend is going well!

GreenSweater 01-20-2019 09:23 AM

I've been on and off this site for about a year. From where I am now, less than a week sober, it's very hard not to think about the time I have lost. It feels like I've wasted the year when I could be a year sober. I see so many success stories on this site, and it makes me feel worse about myself and my struggle. I have no excuse. Other people can do this. Looked at another way, though, I haven't wasted the year. I've learned some strategies for the hard times and for resisting the cravings (which are non-existent now, but I know will be returning soon). I've also proved to myself definitively that I cannot drink. Plus I had long stretches of months and weeks of sobriety. I guess it all comes back to the same truth. I can't drink. Nor can I change the past. I can't compare myself to others. I wish I had stayed sober last year. I didn't. I hope I can stay sober this year.

Dee74 01-20-2019 04:10 PM

Whether you call it a mania an urge, a buildup, a crave or whatever - the first time I realised I could get through that desire and those feelings and not drink was a revelation to me.

Urge surfing was very helpful to me. I needed a way to take myself out of the anticipatory euphoria and disconnect.

http://www.soberrecovery.com/forums/...e-surfing.html

I really talked up my cravings - I all but convinced myself they were a tsunami and I was the lone figure watching it bear down on me.

I learned however immense the feelings feel, they're not insurmountable - we can refuse to comply...and it gets easier :)

D

GreenSweater 01-20-2019 05:40 PM

Thanks, Dee!

GreenSweater 01-21-2019 04:00 AM

Day 7. I have no desire to drink right now, and I'm excited to be laying a sober foundation.

I know that drinking is an addiction, a disease, an affliction. I've demonstrated to myself again and again that I can't control it once I take the first drink. And I can't control the desire to turn to drinking when something "triggers" me to do so (stress, happiness, peer pressure). I know all this. I know that if I had a choice, I wouldn't be a drinker. If I could go back and take that gene out of myself, I wouldn't even hesitate.

But it's still very hard for me to believe that being an alcoholic doesn't make me a bad person. I think, a good person would have quit drinking the very first time they had a negative experience. A good person could cut drinking out effortlessly. Or a good person wouldn't even have the struggle to begin with.

Dee74 01-21-2019 06:31 PM


But it's still very hard for me to believe that being an alcoholic doesn't make me a bad person. I think, a good person would have quit drinking the very first time they had a negative experience. A good person could cut drinking out effortlessly. Or a good person wouldn't even have the struggle to begin with.
I know that many people see the issue in a moral light - thats the way it's been at least since Victorian times, but personally I hope it's changing.

I see my problem as addiction - anyone can get addicted....I know of alcoholic celebrities, priest, teachers, doctors, policemen, politicians, judges.... many of them did great things and good things, despite being addicted for some part of their lives.

I did a lot of things I'm ashamed of in my active addict years, and a lot of immoral things., but having been sober now for nearly 12 years I think I can present a pretty good case for me being a good person with good morals - but addiction had its fangs and claws as deep in me as it anyone else.

No offence is meant, but the closest I can describe it is I was mentally ill during my addiction days.

Recovery has restored me to my right mind.

D

GreenSweater 01-21-2019 07:02 PM

Thanks, Dee. I like your response a lot. Especially how you describe seeing yourself now, factoring in all your sober time and years. I hope to make a strong case for being a good person soon.

Now, not so much...

CaptainHaddock 01-21-2019 07:07 PM

I am hoping that you do not lose the desire to get sober.

Not suggesting this is all you need, but I have found that there are certain things that make me want to stay sober, all by themselves.

Like enjoying a hangover free walk with my dog, having the energy to do a little gardening even after I get home from work and being able to get up early and start doing things.

So I keep doing those things, making a point of being aware of how enjoyable they really are, and being grateful for it. Really strengthens my resolve to stay sober and, as I have said, all by itself.

least 01-21-2019 07:53 PM

Try practicing gratitude every day. :) Gratitude changed my attitude. :) It makes me feel blessed and it makes me happier too. :)

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/22/o...pier.html?_r=0

Fearlessat50 01-21-2019 07:56 PM

Hi GS, about the cycle you mentioned in one of your above posts, this is very typical in addiction and it is caused by the changes to brain chemicals due to chronic alcohol abuse as well as sober-relapse repeat cycles. A lot of this has to do with Kindling and PAWs. You can find info by Googling these terms.

One of my recovered friends told me her doctor had suggested she was bipolar when she first started trying to quit drinking. This turned out not to be the case, and she is very stable now in long term sobriety. I think the extreme highs and lows are very common.

I remember feeling the way you describe about the success stories of others, feeling I was a failure. Know that most long term success stories did not happen over night, and most of us experienced multiple relapses. I lost count of mine and struggled for at least 3 years? Just keep moving forward and be patient with yourself.

I don’t think a person can be defined as good or bad based on alcohol use and addiction in general. There’s choice involved but addiction is also a progressive disease process, and there are both nature and nurture forces that affect everyone differently. It is very complicated with lots of variables. I think there are really good people out there who are alcoholics and really want to be sober. I think there are some bad people out there who don’t drink at all and aren’t addicted to anything.

I’m wondering if you have thought about your spirituality in this recovery journey? For me, it has really taken becoming less superficial and more spiritual and deeper. I had to redefine my values and find my identity as a sober person. Therapy has helped tremendously with this.

Stay connected here. You can expect to have ups and downs for a while. But it will get better so just keep moving forward. Never look back!

rascalwhiteoak 01-21-2019 07:57 PM

I've seen this said here before — "you're not a bad person, just a sick person" — and it's accurate.

I've had esteem issues since childhood, really, and learning that I'm actually an okay person and worthy of good things has been one of the greater lessons of my sober time.

I think you probably are, too. Self-debasing thoughts are just your addiction trying to get its way.

GreenSweater 01-22-2019 04:12 AM


Originally Posted by least (Post 7105209)
Try practicing gratitude every day. :) Gratitude changed my attitude. :) It makes me feel blessed and it makes me happier too. :)

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/22/o...pier.html?_r=0

Thanks, least! I try to do this, though I don't always make it over to the gratitude thread. :thanks

GreenSweater 01-22-2019 04:13 AM


Originally Posted by rascalwhiteoak (Post 7105216)
Self-debasing thoughts are just your addiction trying to get its way.

That's definitely the truth.

GreenSweater 01-22-2019 04:15 AM


Originally Posted by Fearlessat50 (Post 7105213)
I’m wondering if you have thought about your spirituality in this recovery journey? For me, it has really taken becoming less superficial and more spiritual and deeper. I had to redefine my values and find my identity as a sober person. Therapy has helped tremendously with this.

Stay connected here. You can expect to have ups and downs for a while. But it will get better so just keep moving forward. Never look back!

Thanks for your post. it was very helpful. I haven't thought about my spiritual journey much. I suppose it's connected to the mental and physical recovery process, but I don't have any religious feelings or outlook. I know religion and spirituality are not the same thing, though. I'll think more about this!:tyou

GreenSweater 01-23-2019 11:40 AM

Unbelievably annoying day. Every little thing that can go wrong, has. Still, there are the silver linings. Trying to be appreciative today. And definitely not drinking.

Fearlessat50 01-23-2019 01:21 PM

Those are the worst days! It will pass, though. Tomorrow is a new day.
Sometimes we go through phases too, where every day is bad and it seems to just get worse. I had two periods in my life like that, they both lasted about four years. But when I think about it now, I realize how the alcohol made things seem worse because of how it depressed me. With the last phase, when my drinking was a lot worse, I made an already bad life situation worse by using alcohol as an escape.

I always try to remind myself of this quote now: when things go wrong, don’t go with them.”

Glad you are finding the silver lining. There is always one there if we look for it, even if it takes a while to find it :)

GreenSweater 01-24-2019 02:18 PM


Originally Posted by Fearlessat50 (Post 7106505)
when things go wrong, don’t go with them.”

I like that!

Today was good. No problems. Just kept my head down, did what I needed to do, and kept it calm and steady.

GreenSweater 01-25-2019 04:31 PM

Another good day. Productive at work and had a chance to help someone out, which always helps me out too.

No thoughts of drinking, but my mind is getting carried away with anxious thoughts about the future. Need to stay in the moment; the anxiety won't help.

I've been having some insomnia and terrible nightmares. It's not withdrawals or anything (luckily, I'm not prone to that). Maybe just too much coffee? I don't know. I've got a lot going on. It helps to be busy, but in other ways I can feel it isn't good for me.

Fearlessat50 01-25-2019 07:56 PM

When we help others, we are helping ourselves too :)
I have fears about the future too. So many! Someone said once that what we worry about has already happened. It seems to be true for me. I had two siblings die by suicide. I worry this could happen with my son. I was laid off from a job many years ago. I worry I could get laid off again. These are just a couple examples. There’s no I dictation these things will happen again. I don’t know that I’d worry about them if they hadn’t already happened. It’s interesting. So I just try to focus on one day at a time, what is going well each day and what I can do to be proactive with my circumstances.

Insomnia and nightmares are common in early sobriety. I can’t remember how many days sober you are. But it took several months for me to start sleeping better. Actually, I took prescription sleep meds up until about six months ago when I weaned off (I was a year and half sober at that time). I still have “drinking dreams” once every so often. It’s pretty rare now. But it happened a lot early on.

I overly busied myself in the beginning, took on too many special projects at work, too much going on at home, etc. My therapist suggested I slow down. I’m glad I did. I needed that time to focus on healing. I’m still driven but in less professional ways and more personally meaningful ways. I think part of this is due to my age too (in my early fifties) and just wanting to live my own life. I wish I had learned this when I was younger.

Purplrks3647 01-26-2019 09:08 AM

Hope you're doing okay today GS :grouphug:


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