Originally Posted by stubbs
(Post 4021545)
Thanks for link Dee, It appears a single relapse can pretty much start paws all over from beginning.At least that is what I gathered from that read.Csn anyone that has experienced paws and relapsed share how there relapses affected there paws? I slammed a 12 pack of high octane beer on day 51; that was 5 days ago. I personally disagree that one slip does a total reset and would like to see some real data as to how they reached that conclusion (maybe a week bender would do it). I have not had any exacerbation of symptoms nor feel like I totally reset to day 1. I think the take away is watch those rigid overly focused thoughts, see the bigger picture and try to objectively monitor where you are and what you need. The big thing that helps me is Eating Healthy and Exercise. Seems like you you're focusing on potential bad stuff down the road; maybe try just focusing on the here and now. It happened; ergo do something so it doesn't happen again. |
Originally Posted by Nuudawn
(Post 4020718)
Your addiction cycle started to accelerate as soon as your mind started the debate about whether or not you can drink...you were in hot water .. Stubbs : How are you doing ? Day 2 |
PAWS symptoms reach a peak from three to six months after we get clean. Any use of drugs or alcohol, even in small quantities or for a short time, will effectively eliminate any improvement gained over that time, as it will keep the brain from healing. There are a variety of symptoms. Not everyone will experience all of them. Here are some of the main ones. This is what I read... |
Originally Posted by stubbs
(Post 4021714)
PAWS symptoms reach a peak from three to six months after we get clean. Any use of drugs or alcohol, even in small quantities or for a short time, will effectively eliminate any improvement gained over that time, as it will keep the brain from healing. There are a variety of symptoms. Not everyone will experience all of them. Here are some of the main ones. This is what I read... Have you even gotten three months sober yet? Here's the deal, stay sober and you won't have to fret about PAWS or withdrawals or any of the things that drinking causes. |
No I have not went that long,longest is a month probably.been drinking for 22-23 years.I understand don't relapse and leave paws in the past.I would do that if it were that easy for me.I am asking because I am sick of the depression,anxiety,lack of motivation and feeling a bit slow and hazy in the brain.Would like to know how relapses effect my ability to get back to the old me. |
PAWS | Digital Dharma Here is the link from Dee,look under "symptoms".That is where I am reading this. |
Originally Posted by stubbs
(Post 4021896)
.I am asking because I am sick of the depression,anxiety,lack of motivation and feeling a bit slow and hazy in the brain.Would like to know how relapses effect my ability to get back to the old me. |
Was just curious,I understand the obvious. |
Originally Posted by stubbs
(Post 4021896)
I am asking because I am sick of the depression,anxiety,lack of motivation and feeling a bit slow and hazy in the brain. |
I'm not an expert on PAWs Stubbs but I agree with Carl - if the longest you've had is a month I'd suspect PAWs probably isn't involved at all & you're probably just dealing with the cycle of worsening withdrawals. let me stress: neither Carl and I are Drs tho. if you want serious, expert advice about your depression and anxiety or any other aspect of your health you need to see a Dr Stubbs. D |
I'm waiting on doc to get back to me.I am getting in as soon as I can.He specializes in alcohol and drug abuse.He will know more on what I should do in regards of meds.Thanks for the reply's:) |
IMHO you will know you are a normal drinker when you have an aversion to alcohol. Only an addict would put themselves through what we have and even think of picking up a drink again. It's a enigma within a paradox wrapped in bacon. You will know you are a normal drinker when drinking again and sticking your head in an industrial fan are equally difficult. Just my thoughts during a paws manic episode. |
You are right Silentrun, Well day 2 in the books.... |
Originally Posted by stubbs
(Post 4019368)
Well 24 days down the drain, I went and bought me a 12 pack today and drank 10 of them.Wouldnt even say I was pressured or triggered by anything.I was sitting in my recliner watching tv and was looking outside and thought man what a good day to grill out and drink some beer.After a half hour battle in my head I strapped on my shoes and off to the store I went. I have been thinking about it for a couple days.I keep having the thoughts of "Can I drink like normal people now?"I think I needed this though.i need to prove to myself I can not drink like normal people.Im upset about this but not greatly upset.I feel this is going to be a stepping stone to my sobriety.I am a bit angry I have to start over on my days though. I am not drinking tomorrow Inam 100% sure of this,it doesn't even sound good.Well there it is my confession so to speak..any advice for me? |
Thanks nighthawk, I feel like that it is nessesary for me to know this with certainty in order to strengthen my sobriety.I think I am on the right path to a sober life,just may be a few bumps in the road getting there.Just wish my brain would heal up and give me a freaking break on all the negative moods.whatever I'm going threw paws,withdrawal,midlife crisis lol.In time I suppose it will all work out. |
Earliest is next Thursday for doc...not sure if I can make it that far without $@%~£ng up! My lack of planning is biting me in the butt now. |
Originally Posted by stubbs
(Post 4023572)
Earliest is next Thursday for doc...not sure if I can make it that far without $@%~£ng up! My lack of planning is biting me in the butt now. |
It's just the depression and anxiety and lack of motivation that is killing me.Other then that Im doing fantastic! Lol,It's just going to take time to rid all these negative feelings away.I am counting the days down to when Inget to talk to my doc.Inthink he will put me on some antidepressant for a little while. I am not one to really like taking a pill everyday to make me happy.But what the heck I was taking Vicodin and beer to make me feel good so whatever he says I am going along with...:) |
Just keep in mind that there is no magic pill that the doctor can prescribe to make your depression and anxiety go away. Many of them actually can take several weeks to even begin having an effect. So while it's a great idea to see him, plan on doing some hard work yourself on getting back on track, even if meds are prescribed. Developing a routine, eating better, getting exercises, all can make a big difference. |
Thanks Scott, I've been on them in the past a couple times.But I drank on them and they didn't seem to work to great.I just need something to take the edge off. |
Day 5.feeling slightly better also.its been a month since my original quit date with one relapse 5 days ago.my body and mind are coming along... |
Stubbs , thanks for keeping us updated . Posting , accountability is key . Wishing you well |
Ill fight this beast till I die,Just hope I can wear him out in time. |
Woohoo! Day 5.. you are building those days back up again. Keep going! =) |
These weekends are killing me...I slipped again! |
Stubbs..what happened? |
Was working in yard and cleaning pool and that's where it began.Just start thinking man it's a beautiful day out and a beer would just hit the spot.I am weak when I am outside or working around yard or in house.I tried to fight it for a little while but gave in.I only had a six pack and didnt even really get a buzz.I just feel like something is missing if I'm out by the pool or grilling out and I dont have a beer.This is where In NEED to learn how to live sober.I k ow I can enjoy these things sober but I just don't know how right now:( |
I actually drink O'Doul's (non alcoholic) beer when the occasion calls for it. I had one last night when I came home from work and it hit the spot. Ocassionally I will have two ..but there is no desire for another. It works for me because a sugary soda is not appealing to me. I also drink a lot of club soda and lime cordial Both hit the spot on a hot day when I'm thirsty..and they actually quench my thirst rather than make me thirstier as alcohol dehydrates and then begs another. I dunno...I know some folks don't like the idea of NA beer...but I sure do. There is actually one I will have go to U.S. for (I'm 20 mins from border) called Erdinger. It's supposed to be tastiest NA beer out there..I believe its a hoppy type beer...kind you serve with orange slice. I look forward to trying it. I get the taste of beer but no disaster. It's a suggestion Stubbs...I know it helps me from time to time..cuz a pop just isn't what I want sometimes..or water. |
You need to start a new thread. This one, entitled "Relapse," seems to be a self fulfilling prophecy. Call the new one, "I'm not ever going to drink again."
Originally Posted by stubbs
(Post 4030431)
I k ow I can enjoy these things sober but I just don't know how right now:( |
Originally Posted by Nuudawn
(Post 4030475)
I actually drink O'Doul's (non alcoholic) beer when the occasion calls for it. I had one last night when I came home from work and it hit the spot. Ocassionally I will have two ..but there is no desire for another. It works for me because a sugary soda is not appealing to me. I also drink a lot of club soda and lime cordial Both hit the spot on a hot day when I'm thirsty..and they actually quench my thirst rather than make me thirstier as alcohol dehydrates and then begs another. I dunno...I know some folks don't like the idea of NA beer...but I sure do. There is actually one I will have go to U.S. for (I'm 20 mins from border) called Erdinger. It's supposed to be tastiest NA beer out there..I believe its a hoppy type beer...kind you serve with orange slice. I look forward to trying it. I get the taste of beer but no disaster. It's a suggestion Stubbs...I know it helps me from time to time..cuz a pop just isn't what I want sometimes..or water. I drink beer for the taste along with the buzz.fake beer I've tried and the buzz was missing.it would just lead me to real beer.i need to learn to live sober |
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