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I dont drink. But it seems to me. It would be like me trying to smoke cocaine free crack. The action is still there and the mental fix would still be there. And probably eventually pi$$ me off and end up doing the real thing. But thats just me. |
Let's examine motives....:) If you are a non drinker....why would you want to give the appearance of drinking alcohol? Are you wanting to have others see you drink and if so....why? Are you bending to peer pressure ? Your friends are all drinkers? Ashamed to not drink? No need to answer me here .just curious why anyone would be interested in continueing to look like a drinker......:sad2: |
Originally Posted by doorknob
(Post 1902366)
I do wish you would explain that more.. or direct me to a website that does. Alcohol by definition is any substance containing an OH group attached to a hydrocarbon. Examples are ethyl alcohol or ethanol: C2H5OH; butyl alcohol or butanol: C4H9OH. All of these are alcohol but react differently in the body. A more complex example can be viewed from the quote below. This came from the website http://www/tiscali.co.uk/reference/e.../m0009891.html Alcohol (chemistry) In chemistry, any member of a group of organic chemical compounds characterized by the presence of one or more aliphatic OH (hydroxyl) groups in the molecule, and which form esters with acids. The main uses of alcohols are as solvents for gums, resins, lacquers, and varnishes; in the making of dyes; for essential oils in perfumery; and for medical substances in pharmacy. The alcohol produced naturally in the fermentation process and consumed as part of alcoholic beverages is called ethanol. When consumed the effects of alcohol include poisoning at high concentrations, and changes in the functioning of human nerve cells. Alcohols may be liquids or solids, according to the size and complexity of the molecule. A monohydric alcohol contains only one hydroxyl group in each molecule. The five simplest alcohols form a series in which the number of carbon and hydrogen atoms in the molecule increases progressively, each one having an extra CH2 (methylene) group: methanol or wood spirit (methyl alcohol, CH3OH); ethanol (ethyl alcohol, C2H5OH); propanol (propyl alcohol, C3H7OH); butanol (butyl alcohol, C4H9OH); and pentanol (amyl alcohol, C5H11OH). The lower alcohols are liquids that mix with water; the higher alcohols, such as pentanol, are oily liquids immiscible with water; and the highest are waxy solids – for example, hexadecanol (cetyl alcohol, C16H33OH) and melissyl alcohol (C30H61OH), which occur in sperm-whale oil and beeswax, respectively. Alcohols containing the CH2OH group are primary; those containing CHOH are secondary; while those containing COH are tertiary. |
Sounds like a personal decision to me but I wouldn't drink AF wine or beer. I didn't really drink for the taste in my last years of drinking anyway. ;) I'm with TSH in that I'm not going to change my extracts for baking or a glass of OJ with Sunday brunch. I have cooking wine in the house, alsways have. Wouldn't occur to me to drink it. I had a steak last week with some kind of sherry in the gravy. It was delicious and didn't "trigger" me. So....just know yourself. Know your triggers. IMO. |
Our local supermarket sells non-alcoholic wine. Yes, NA wine, in a fancy bottle with a cork and fancy label. My sister-in-law brought a bottle home last week (she's quitting/moderating on her own NA drink plan). Anyway, it tasted like someone left a glass of grape juice out for 3 weeks and served it. Getting to uncork it like a real bottle was it's only asset. I'm sticking to regular old coffee/tea/juice/water/soda. |
Agree with this part ". . . Sounds like a personal decision to me . . ." |
I am totally intrigued by the orange juice/bread etc thing. It simply wouldn't occur to me that alcohol in these forms would be a problem!! Maybe I'm just a bit naive? sas |
Originally Posted by sadmummy
(Post 1902431)
I am totally intrigued by the orange juice/bread etc thing. It simply wouldn't occur to me that alcohol in these forms would be a problem!! Maybe I'm just a bit naive? sas |
dopey slogan time again on SR... " you dont go into a Whorehouse to hear the Piano Player" or do you? http://www.day.az/forum/style_emotic...t/thinking.gif |
depends on the piano player Zip :05: LOL D |
Originally Posted by nandm
(Post 1902445)
You might want to read post 23 of this thread as it explains why the OJ and bread arguement does not hold water. It is not the same type of alcohol as the alcohol we drink. |
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I thought that any kind of fruit juice can naturally ferment... Now, maybe the pasteurized stuff you get in the grocery store wouldn't have any of the yeast necessary to cause fermentation to begin... I'm not an expert on anything in life... I'm not trying to start an argument... Just thinking out loud here and looking for some info out of curiosity... |
Here are a couple of websites that site an Indiana University study that found the alcohol content of orange juice to be between .2% - .5%: NON-ALCOHOLIC BEER Illinois Legal Aid | Can Minors Buy and Drink Non-Alcoholic Beer? |
All this talk about NA beer got me wondering so i went a bought a 6 pack of Becks NA beer (0.05%) as i couldn't honestly remember if it was as bad as i remembered. Its ok doesn't taste as bad as i remember but it does seems a bit pointless. A bit like stroking a dog with a glove on.... I'm gonna go back and drink my ginger beer i think! I certainly won't be resetting my sobriety date though. 2 x 0.05% beers doesn't mean anything to me. I understand its a personal choice about NA beers i'm just giving my opinion. |
Slight update... After having the NA beers a few hours ago i've started to feel really guilty. Hmmm cravings, mood swings, and now guilt from 2 bleedin Non Alcoholic beers..... Awesome |
OMG...na beers are just that na beers...nothing to feel guilty about! Orange juice is just orange juice...if one thinks it is a relapse one is crazy...lol Seems to me that many people here at SR have taken sobriety to a level that is unobtainable. |
Yeah you are right and to be honest the guilt has kinda gone now. I just had a little pang when i walked back into the room and saw a half drunk beer bottle. |
Wibble, I've got a becks n/a in the fridge!! And I had one last night!!!!! Feel the same as you though - I'd rather drink some ice cold sainsbury's lemon and lime water. sas |
Sorry! Not trying to hijack this thread! Please forgive me! Hey, DK :)...I looked at the sites but couldn't find any links to the specific study of which you speak. I would like to know if they looked at pasteurized OJ, fresh squeezed, or both. I've tried searching for this on Google and have come up with nothing. :dunno Whatever the answer, it's not going to stop me from drinking OJ. I'm seriously curious and if anyone here has a direct link to the study, please post it. I know it's not important, but for some reason my brain wants more answers. |
Yeah, I couldn't find the original study either, and I'm interested as well, just for the info. I'm not worried about drinking orange juice or NA beer. |
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