I've grown out of my alcohol abuse..as i have other things I spent almost three years drinking hard...very hard..developed a fatty liver 2 years ago...quit for 1 year and 5 months...I loved getting drunk. i don't know if anything is wrong with that..it's all a matter of perspective and culture really...my life was messed up before i started hitting the bottle hard...i was just procrastinating on life....the booze wasn't my problem when i got sober i started researching addiction..i voluntered in soup kitchens...talked to people on the street...read many books..watched videos...learned from the quacks to the realists and everything in between... most grow out of addiction.anybody can do the research and find that out..a small percentage of people feel they need outside help such as a support group and an even smaller percentage believe they have no power over this thing...something like 8% of addicts believe this. I take peoples word for it who believe this. They have no way of proving it to me but i don't try to change their minds anymore..there are problems that have nothing to do with a substance..personality disorders or other mental conditions...sometimes to substance is a scapegoat..and it's an accepted scapegoat alcohol isn't a problem for me now I just thought i'd say that because it is honest good luck to everyone...i am optimistic for all of you |
Take care, Cabo! |
Caboblanco, FANTASTIC, of course I will see ya in chat, yes? |
I'm not sure I'm following some of your post. Does "most grow out of addiction" mean learning to be Sober and not struggling anymore, or does it mean going back to moderate drinking? Sure alcohol becomes less of a problem with more Sobriety, as a new lifestyle is created, new routines, a new life, alcohol is kicked to the margins of life more and more!! Not sure about "feel they need", but a large percentage actually need something other than themselves to beat addiction, why else would so many resources need to exist, either way addiction is not something that is easy for everyone!! |
Originally Posted by Purpleknight
(Post 4913347)
I'm not sure I'm following some of your post. Does "most grow out of addiction" mean learning to be Sober and not struggling anymore, or does it mean going back to moderate drinking? Sure alcohol becomes less of a problem with more Sobriety, as a new lifestyle is created, new routines, a new life, alcohol is kicked to the margins of life more and more!! Not sure about "feel they need", but a large percentage actually need something other than themselves to beat addiction, why else would so many resources need to exist, either way addiction is not something that is easy for everyone!! |
thanks |
Originally Posted by caboblanco
(Post 4913351)
it can mean sobriety or moderate drinking....the point is the substance isn't a problem for them in any way personally Not sure on the "most" grow out of addiction, there are thousands here on SR whom moderation is a non starter, but sadly so many don't make it or become stuck in a continuous cycle of addiction over many years!! Good luck on your own personal journey Cabo!! :) |
Would you try moderating Cabo? I consider it a non issue for me right now too. That can change in an instant though. |
Originally Posted by silentrun
(Post 4913371)
Would you try moderating Cabo? I consider it a non issue for me right now too. That can change in an instant though. but you are your own person silent |
Originally Posted by caboblanco I spent almost three years drinking hard...very hard..developed a fatty liver 2 years ago...quit for 1 year and 5 months...I loved getting drunk. i don't know if anything is wrong with that..it's all a matter of perspective and culture really...my life was messed up before i started hitting the bottle hard...i was just procrastinating on life....the booze wasn't my problem when i got sober i started researching addiction..i voluntered in soup kitchens...talked to people on the street...read many books..watched videos...learned from the quacks to the realists and everything in between... most grow out of addiction.anybody can do the research and find that out..a small percentage of people feel they need outside help such as a support group and an even smaller percentage believe they have no power over this thing...something like 8% of addicts believe this. I take peoples word for it who believe this. They have no way of proving it to me but i don't try to change their minds anymore..there are problems that have nothing to do with a substance..personality disorders or other mental conditions...sometimes to substance is a scapegoat..and it's an accepted scapegoat alcohol isn't a problem for me now I just thought i'd say that because it is honest good luck to everyone...i am optimistic for all of you I drank mostly beer (various types, but "malt" types towards the end) during my drinking career and had an awful withdrawal, which makes me question if whatever you were drinking was really "hard" at all. |
It sounds like you are going to moderate Cabo. Sobriety is real and moderating is an illusion. We have come along way together. Remember when I said I was an amateur and you said "Oh no...we are the big leagues". Don't get mad at me for asking but are you drinking now? |
Originally Posted by grubby
(Post 4913383)
What do you mean by "hard"? Some more details please? I drank mostly beer during my drinking career and had an awful withdrawal, which makes me question if whatever you were drinking was really "hard" at all. once in a while i would go to a bar after..im talking like 40 drinks in a day while out in public i drank other stuff like bourbon but mostly beer thats hard enough..right? |
i'm not going to moderate....you don't have to worry,,no need to |
Originally Posted by caboblanco
(Post 4913393)
i'm not going to moderate....you don't have to worry,,no need to |
Originally Posted by caboblanco oh i drank 20-30 beers 5 days a week once in a while i would go to a bar after..im talking like 40 drinks in a day while out in public i drank other stuff like bourbon but mostly beer thats hard enough..right? Also, was that "20-30 drinks" a day? or spread out over those 5 days? Reason i'm asking these questions is because i've heard that different types of alcohol vary in terms of addictiveness, not sure if it's true but when i hear of people who claim they didn't get withdrawal i always start to wonder what they were drinking exactly. For example, I've heard that "malt" based alcohol is more addictive compared to other types....... it seems to match up with my own experience, i was guzzling the malt stuff like a fish towards the end. |
Originally Posted by caboblanco
(Post 4913380)
...if sobriety and moderating are essentially the same thing to you... I sincerely hope things work out for you, Cabo. Take it easy. :) |
Originally Posted by grubby
(Post 4913398)
Alright, what types of beer was it? Craft? Malt? Lager? etc? 20-30 drinks a night...more like 30 |
Originally Posted by grubby
(Post 4913398)
Alright, what types of beer was it? Craft? Malt? Lager? etc? Also, was that "20-30 drinks" a day? or spread out over those 5 days? |
Originally Posted by silentrun
(Post 4913397)
Pinkie swear? |
Originally Posted by caboblanco grubby i drank.like a fish.by anyones standard...i gave me a fatty liver in 3 years. 20-30 drinks a night...more like 30 Is the fatty liver healed?? or are you going to return to drinking in spite of the fatty liver? If you're going to do this, be safe at least........ |
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