I am so glad I took CarolD's advice and went with the 10th tradition, it is great (I think) that there is a lively debate going here but I am grateful I did not reply to "Michael from Girdwood"s editorial about "disease or not a disease", it would not have been good to get it going in the Anchorage Daily News. Thanks again CarolD for enlightening me and Thanks to all of you on this thread for the input, man I learned a lot. (also the first thread I got started,yeah.) I much appreciate the SR site and all of you out there. Stay clean, stay sober, stay happy. karlofthenorth