Sorry, Hawkeye but whaaaaat? I'll leave it at that because I cannot comprehend one whit of what you are saying as part of all this.
Also, yes, I understand the concept of the AV. Perhaps I worded it wrong- I don't "get" it because I don't believe a logical solution is entirely sufficient to keep me sober. It's also why terms like the "Beast" are baffling to me - not in the sense that I do not literally understand, so please, no patronizing explanations of either of these to me, again!
Why rely on just myself when I have proven not to be able to do it alone? And why use any combative word like "Beast" - as in something I am permanently pitted against in some "battle"? And, abstinence is not a sufficient goal for me, so while I might commingle some parts of these methods, to me the global points of what intuitively- and actively- work for ME are the same conclusions.
Too bad this thread has veered into territory of judgment and recrimination of different folks' methods of sober living.
Tats- I pm'ed you back.
New thread time?
Peace.