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Old 07-27-2018, 11:44 AM
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NYCDoglvr
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There's a saying: "if you take the alcohol away from a drunken horse thief you have a horse thief". Only abstinence doesn't change someone, it's the 12 Steps plus therapy and a lot of hard work that is required.
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