Originally Posted by
freethinking 
Lol, wait a minute TU - are you saying with no Big Plan there is no AVRT?
Freethinking,
I think TU was quoting out of Jack Trimpey's book.
That said, think about that question?
Substitute "intention to abstain", or some other such phrase of your liking for "Big Plan", and of course, there is no AVRT without it.
That's like saying, "without Jesus, there would be no Christianity," and then questioning the logic of the utterance.
The "Big Plan" isn't a banner, an announcement, a proclamation, or anything all that fancy -- it is just a personal commitment, which really requires nothing more than a thought, albeit a powerful one.
So, I'm not sure what the point is of taking issue with the Trimpey quote. Does it surprise you?
Or maybe I'm just stupid dumb wrong about how I interpret it.
FT