I totally understand what your talking when it comes to kids. See, mine are teenagers and they get real mad at me for letting him be the way he is (they ask me why do you let him spend all of your money, etc).... we never have money for football games, dances, school clothes, school supplies and fees, food, bills, gas, etc. They hate it. They hate the fights. I feel its better for the kids not to be around it. and as I write, Iam striving for that.... because kids need stuff.